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My experiences with the new (and old) Stingrays

Pick your favorite Stingray

  • Stingray Special

    Votes: 83 26.3%
  • Pre EB Stingray or Stingray Classic

    Votes: 89 28.2%
  • USA Sterling

    Votes: 27 8.5%
  • Stingray Standard (non Specials)

    Votes: 68 21.5%
  • I don't have a favorite because I am a wiener

    Votes: 49 15.5%

  • Total voters
    316
Hey TB. So, I’ve spent the last week wearing out my new Stingray Special HH. I’ll give my thoughts below on the bass as well as a comparison to my other Ernie Ball basses. I currently own a 94 Stingray , a 95 Sterling, and I just recently sold a 2007 HH Ray. Through the years I’ve owned about 20 EB and pre-EB basses, probably played 300+ gigs on them. I absolutely love the signature Stingray tone, but I've never been completely satisfied with their flexibility. Kind of a love/like relationship. Anyways, I mostly wrote this for us TBers that are considering replacing their Stingrays with a Special.


Fit/finish and playability: This bass is a solid 9/10. The build quality is on par with my 90s Ray/Sterling (some think of this as a “golden era” for EB instruments), and is noticeably better than all of my USA Fenders. The new sculpted neck joint feels great. The tuners are an improvement and the SS frets were all perfectly seated and leveled. I was able to achieve action much lower than I actually prefer. Neck joint was super tight, balance was perfect, and it weighs only 8.5lbs! The neck is SUPER fast and feels great. It’s a bit slimmer than my other Ray but not by much. The double-eared pickups is a huge improvement to me over the old HH pickups. I used that space to anchor my thumb on my H models, glad to have it here. Overall it’s what you’d expect from a professional instrument costing over 2k. IMHO Ernie Balls have always been some of the best production basses ever made, so these slight improvements make an awesome bass even better.

Minor drawbacks: the new bridge, while being lighter, aesthetically bums me out. I really like the old look better. The 22 frets coupled with the neck humbucker make it very difficult for me to slap cleanly. I adjusted to this with my other HH but it’s even tighter now with the additional fret. Also the plastic control cavity on the back is just slapped on there, not recessed into the body. Come on EB, if a $500 Ibanez can do this I think a $2200 USA made bass should too.


Tone: This is totally subjective but I’ll give my thoughts compared to my other Rays. Let’s get this out of the way first, the new EQ is amazing. If you’re looking for only 1 reason to buy a new Stingray over the old this is it. On Stingrays the signature hi mid/lower treble “click” and those tight lows are a given, you either love it or hate it. The onboard EQ never did much to change the character of the bass, not that that’s necessarily a bad thing. For the new Specials the flat tone is much more neutral and organic. It’s definitely a Ray, but without the exaggerated frequencies of the original. This is where the new EQ comes in. Combined with the HH pickups you can get just about anything out of this bass. Want the old Stingray tone in position 1? Done. Need to dial in some mids to approximate a P bass in position 4? Done. How about a J bass in position 2? Well, not quite. This bass won’t make me sell my P, Js, or PJs but it sure comes closer than the old style HH ever did. I did some recording of the HH Special compared to the old HH, as well as the Special in 1st position (single H mode) compared to the old Ray and Sterling. IMO the Specials are more refined, neutral, responsive, and flexible than any previous version of a Stingray. One more thing, I’m not sure if it’s the SS frets but compared to my older Rays notes played on the Special seem to “jump off the fretboard”. Kind of like going from my Fender Rumble setup to my GK stack. This may or may not be a positive for you, it certainly is for me.

Drawbacks: Tone-wise, I have none. If you absolutely have to have that signature Stingray tone 100% you may not be happy with the Specials. But if you’re ok with getting 90% of the way there then these will do nicely.


So, should you sell your beloved Stingray for a new Special? Well that depends on what you’re missing from you current Ray. If you dig the (as Bass Player magazine once put it) “10lbs of guts” and don’t need the extra flexibility then I say no. If you desire a more flexible tone and want a lighter bass then it’s definitely an upgrade.
 
94 Ray, HH Special, 95 Sterling

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I finally got to play around with a Special and I think you've pretty much nailed it. As far as the build/feel of the bass, it's excellent. The Special feels and looks amazing. The weight in unbelievable. I have nothing bad to say about the bass before we get to tone, it's perfect.

I thought the Special sounded really great. HOWEVER, I don't feel it hits the traditional Stingray tone. That may be good, that may be bad... it's completely subjective. I found it to be much punchier and tight, but it lost a decent amount of the low-end thud from my "old" Stingray. Now, this may be solved with an HH, but I had a single H. I would almost compare the new Special to a Spector NS4. It has a really tight, growly tone. The eQ is alot more polite, it basically sings. No more clank to my ears, it's much smoother. Again though, I found myself more drawn to the warmth and depth of my older Stingray.

All this being said, I think the Special is a hell of an instrument. If you're an EB fan, it's absolutely worth checking out.
 
All that and not one word about the roasted neck? For shame! I love the specials, just about everything about them. I think EBMM really killed it on this, great timing, how many more of the old style Stingrays did the world need anyway. I haven't bought one yet, but I definitely drool every time I see one. I'm a little worried that my Sabre would take offense if I did buy one.
 
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All that and not one word about the roasted neck? For shame! I love the specials, just about everything about them. I think EBMM really killed it on this, great timing, how many more of the old style Stingrays did the world need anyway. I haven't bought one yet, but I definitely drool every time I see one. I
'm a little worried that my Sabre would take offense if I did buy one.
Yeah the roasted neck isn't a big deal to me. I don't think it imparts any sonic difference, and I haven't had it long enough to remark on it's stability.
 
I think your poll should have multiple response option.

I think the USA SUB and Old Smoothie should also be added to your list.

I voted Stingray Specials but I would have preferred to have more than one option.

In my hands, my Special 5HH is the perfect bass.

But it’s my growing up on Louis Johnson, Bernard Edwards, Paul S. Denman, Allen McGrier ( Teena Marie/ Rick James/ Mary Jane Girls) , Nate Watts ( Stevie Wonder), that made me want to play a Stingray. They all played pre Ernie Ball 2 band Rays.

This to me , along with the Sabre that Louis Johnson played is the MusicMan tone. Being a short female I found it difficult to get comfortable with 2band Stingrays that I owned so they didn’t sound good in my hands. But I sure to like to hear those that I consider to be masters of the Classic MusicMan sound play them.

Ideally I would have voted Special and pre Ernie Ball 2band Stingray .
 
Hey TB. So, I’ve spent the last week wearing out my new Stingray Special HH. I’ll give my thoughts below on the bass as well as a comparison to my other Ernie Ball basses. I currently own a 94 Stingray , a 95 Sterling, and I just recently sold a 2007 HH Ray. Through the years I’ve owned about 20 EB and pre-EB basses, probably played 300+ gigs on them. I absolutely love the signature Stingray tone, but I've never been completely satisfied with their flexibility. Kind of a love/like relationship. Anyways, I mostly wrote this for us TBers that are considering replacing their Stingrays with a Special.


Fit/finish and playability: This bass is a solid 9/10. The build quality is on par with my 90s Ray/Sterling (some think of this as a “golden era” for EB instruments), and is noticeably better than all of my USA Fenders. The new sculpted neck joint feels great. The tuners are an improvement and the SS frets were all perfectly seated and leveled. I was able to achieve action much lower than I actually prefer. Neck joint was super tight, balance was perfect, and it weighs only 8.5lbs! The neck is SUPER fast and feels great. It’s a bit slimmer than my other Ray but not by much. The double-eared pickups is a huge improvement to me over the old HH pickups. I used that space to anchor my thumb on my H models, glad to have it here. Overall it’s what you’d expect from a professional instrument costing over 2k. IMHO Ernie Balls have always been some of the best production basses ever made, so these slight improvements make an awesome bass even better.

Minor drawbacks: the new bridge, while being lighter, aesthetically bums me out. I really like the old look better. The 22 frets coupled with the neck humbucker make it very difficult for me to slap cleanly. I adjusted to this with my other HH but it’s even tighter now with the additional fret. Also the plastic control cavity on the back is just slapped on there, not recessed into the body. Come on EB, if a $500 Ibanez can do this I think a $2200 USA made bass should too.


Tone: This is totally subjective but I’ll give my thoughts compared to my other Rays. Let’s get this out of the way first, the new EQ is amazing. If you’re looking for only 1 reason to buy a new Stingray over the old this is it. On Stingrays the signature hi mid/lower treble “click” and those tight lows are a given, you either love it or hate it. The onboard EQ never did much to change the character of the bass, not that that’s necessarily a bad thing. For the new Specials the flat tone is much more neutral and organic. It’s definitely a Ray, but without the exaggerated frequencies of the original. This is where the new EQ comes in. Combined with the HH pickups you can get just about anything out of this bass. Want the old Stingray tone in position 1? Done. Need to dial in some mids to approximate a P bass in position 4? Done. How about a J bass in position 2? Well, not quite. This bass won’t make me sell my P, Js, or PJs but it sure comes closer than the old style HH ever did. I did some recording of the HH Special compared to the old HH, as well as the Special in 1st position (single H mode) compared to the old Ray and Sterling. IMO the Specials are more refined, neutral, responsive, and flexible than any previous version of a Stingray. One more thing, I’m not sure if it’s the SS frets but compared to my older Rays notes played on the Special seem to “jump off the fretboard”. Kind of like going from my Fender Rumble setup to my GK stack. This may or may not be a positive for you, it certainly is for me.

Drawbacks: Tone-wise, I have none. If you absolutely have to have that signature Stingray tone 100% you may not be happy with the Specials. But if you’re ok with getting 90% of the way there then these will do nicely.


So, should you sell your beloved Stingray for a new Special? Well that depends on what you’re missing from you current Ray. If you dig the (as Bass Player magazine once put it) “10lbs of guts” and don’t need the extra flexibility then I say no. If you desire a more flexible tone and want a lighter bass then it’s definitely an upgrade.
Hey TB. So, I’ve spent the last week wearing out my new Stingray Special HH. I’ll give my thoughts below on the bass as well as a comparison to my other Ernie Ball basses. I currently own a 94 Stingray , a 95 Sterling, and I just recently sold a 2007 HH Ray. Through the years I’ve owned about 20 EB and pre-EB basses, probably played 300+ gigs on them. I absolutely love the signature Stingray tone, but I've never been completely satisfied with their flexibility. Kind of a love/like relationship. Anyways, I mostly wrote this for us TBers that are considering replacing their Stingrays with a Special.


Fit/finish and playability: This bass is a solid 9/10. The build quality is on par with my 90s Ray/Sterling (some think of this as a “golden era” for EB instruments), and is noticeably better than all of my USA Fenders. The new sculpted neck joint feels great. The tuners are an improvement and the SS frets were all perfectly seated and leveled. I was able to achieve action much lower than I actually prefer. Neck joint was super tight, balance was perfect, and it weighs only 8.5lbs! The neck is SUPER fast and feels great. It’s a bit slimmer than my other Ray but not by much. The double-eared pickups is a huge improvement to me over the old HH pickups. I used that space to anchor my thumb on my H models, glad to have it here. Overall it’s what you’d expect from a professional instrument costing over 2k. IMHO Ernie Balls have always been some of the best production basses ever made, so these slight improvements make an awesome bass even better.

Minor drawbacks: the new bridge, while being lighter, aesthetically bums me out. I really like the old look better. The 22 frets coupled with the neck humbucker make it very difficult for me to slap cleanly. I adjusted to this with my other HH but it’s even tighter now with the additional fret. Also the plastic control cavity on the back is just slapped on there, not recessed into the body. Come on EB, if a $500 Ibanez can do this I think a $2200 USA made bass should too.


Tone: This is totally subjective but I’ll give my thoughts compared to my other Rays. Let’s get this out of the way first, the new EQ is amazing. If you’re looking for only 1 reason to buy a new Stingray over the old this is it. On Stingrays the signature hi mid/lower treble “click” and those tight lows are a given, you either love it or hate it. The onboard EQ never did much to change the character of the bass, not that that’s necessarily a bad thing. For the new Specials the flat tone is much more neutral and organic. It’s definitely a Ray, but without the exaggerated frequencies of the original. This is where the new EQ comes in. Combined with the HH pickups you can get just about anything out of this bass. Want the old Stingray tone in position 1? Done. Need to dial in some mids to approximate a P bass in position 4? Done. How about a J bass in position 2? Well, not quite. This bass won’t make me sell my P, Js, or PJs but it sure comes closer than the old style HH ever did. I did some recording of the HH Special compared to the old HH, as well as the Special in 1st position (single H mode) compared to the old Ray and Sterling. IMO the Specials are more refined, neutral, responsive, and flexible than any previous version of a Stingray. One more thing, I’m not sure if it’s the SS frets but compared to my older Rays notes played on the Special seem to “jump off the fretboard”. Kind of like going from my Fender Rumble setup to my GK stack. This may or may not be a positive for you, it certainly is for me.

Drawbacks: Tone-wise, I have none. If you absolutely have to have that signature Stingray tone 100% you may not be happy with the Specials. But if you’re ok with getting 90% of the way there then these will do nicely.


So, should you sell your beloved Stingray for a new Special? Well that depends on what you’re missing from you current Ray. If you dig the (as Bass Player magazine once put it) “10lbs of guts” and don’t need the extra flexibility then I say no. If you desire a more flexible tone and want a lighter bass then it’s definitely an upgrade.
Nice honest review! Thank you!
Best wishes,
Brent
 
I regret selling my 2005 Stingray V last year but it went to a good home and would kill my back on a 4 hour gig. But it was perfect in every regard. Always my go-to when I didn’t know what to bring.

I recently found the same bass in a neck-through from a popular retailer with the same finish and jumped on it, only to be brutally disappointed in the workmanship from the factory. What a shame. I sent it back. Maybe I’ll try Ernie Ball again if they can get their poop together.
 
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I just saw this thread after posting about the new Stingray Special HH I got here off of a TB'er... huge Stingray fan, and big fan of the Classic and my modified Sterling (I wasn't too big a fan of the original ceramic in that USA Sterling but it's a fine feeling bass and great neck)...

That said, the new Stingray Special really got me, and I was stoked to still here that growl present... I wanted to an HH model for a while, and am glad I waited it out for the special... the new weight and neck, smaller body and updated neo pickups sound great. Below is a couple pics of my MusicMan basses, as well as a 1 min slap demo of the new Stingray Special 4HH running in parallel.

*Ps anyone that's been gassing for the 30th Annie Stingray5, it's on $200 off at GC right now with the UPTO20 code!

 

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I have absolutely no experience with the pre-EB Stingrays, so I cannot compare. I started playing bass three years and three months ago, after almost five decades on guitar. I am a P-Bass guy all the way, but bought a used (barely) Old Smoothie Reissue in December, and then a new 4H the very next day at the very same store when I was offered a price I couldn't refuse. I'm still getting used to them, but like both a lot! I have taken the 4H out for gigs, and love the deep bass it gets. These are my first active basses, so that's a whole new world I am just beginning to explore.

If I have a regret, it's perhaps that I didn't get a 4HH. Honestly, I read up on them here and most seemed to think that the extra pickup didn't add much to the tonal palette. I would like that pickup now, if for nothing else than a thumbrest, since I do not like plucking so close to the bridge.

Still, I think the build quality of the EB MM models is amazing, much better than most of the production basses I have tried. They feel rock solid! And the necks! I felt right at home on both necks from the first minute.
 
I have a 2014 4HH Rosewood, and the 2018 4HH Special (Ebony).
I will NOT sell either. While I mostly agree with the OP assertions, and give a +2 for the SS notes singing out like a born natural opera virtuoso, and while the Special is a bit more "special," they both still are Stingrays of glory.
Agree with a tighter/smaller/narrower space between the last fret and the neck PU for sliding in your finger of choice for plucking. My index finger sometimes catches on the forward edge of the neck PU. Learning not to float as much when slapping, but the accents/plucked notes POW right out and it's an awesome tone.
I also have 1 "vintage" Ibanez '90/'91 SR800, and 1 '97 SR800, both MIJ, and can assert that if you must own another bass (other than EBMM Stingrays) the early '90s SR800s are the way to go; beautiful well crafted fine instruments. (...and all 4 of my basses sound better than ANY Fender :) )
OP: +1 overall.
(Objectively speaking, even the EBMM Stingray Special overviews/review videos are some of the only videos out there that do NOT over hype the instrument like so many other manufacturers do. Yes, the Special is that good.)
 
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Yeah the roasted neck isn't a big deal to me. I don't think it imparts any sonic difference, and I haven't had it long enough to remark on it's stability.
I have to respectfully disagree. I love my Special and especially the feel of the neck. I think part of the tone comes from the neck. It’s almost gives it a dry and hollow sound to me. Maybe it’s in my mind, but I hear it.
 

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