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My experiments with cheap P-basses

My main P-bass is an American Ultra-II which I find to be mostly wonderful. But I rehearse in lots of tight spaces where my basses bump into things a lot, so I needed a cheap rehearsal bass.

My first attempt was a '90s fixer-upper Squier Affinity P. What a piece of junk. Even after the fixing and the upping it remained junk. The pickups were like antennas. With some tuning I'm sure I could listen to the radio while playing. Even when it wasn't humming tunes, the pickups sounded like junk. The tuners were a joke -- the bass needed frequent re-tuning. The fretwork was atrocious (or maybe the neck was warped), I had to do a ton of leveling to get any acceptable buzz-free action. I got rid of it, it wasn't worth the effort.

My second attempt was a 2020's Indonesia-made Squier Affinity PJ. What a difference! The tuners are rock-solid. The fretwork is good, the neck isn't warped. The P pickup sounds great! No hum, no noise at all, and it actually sounds really great. It's just a proper P-bass.

A few nits: (1) P-pickup output level is waaay too high. I lowered the pickups quite a bit and even then I can't tame the output all that much. Which is a little bit of a problem because I don't like changing my gain stages when I change basses. (2) J-pickup is trash. Its output is so low that any sort of PJ blending just doesn't work.

One major problem is that when I put on my Fender 9050s (tension is quite high) I had to tighten the truss rod almost all the way to counteract. After a couple of days I took those strings off for fear of damaging the neck. I don't think this neck was built to handle this level of tension. I'm back on rounds for now, but LaBella LTFs may be the only flats that work with this bass.

TL;DR: Older Affinitys suck. Newer Indonesia Affinitys rock (with some caveats).
 
The first Affinity I ever tried was an early 2000s Pbass that my brother-in-law bought in a starter kit that came with a little amp, cord, tuner, etc.
And it was awful. Really bad.
But I bought a Affinity Tele during lockdown, having heard the Affinity line had really improved, and wow! Way higher quality.
No illusions that their custom shop pieces, but definitely good value. 👆
 
Am Pro II P play well in my hand, but my cheapo 2014 China Squier Matt Freeman P feel more comfort playing ( due to the neck profile ) and sound massive growl. Meanwhile , she has solid build and strong stable maple neck . I am not bashing the Am Pro, but it happened......

The current day Sonic P are nice , but i found a better P which has close price tag, same 38mm nut width but roasted maple neck ~ Bacchus BPB1RSM. This bass feel better build quality and flawless factory fret work than all Indo Squier CV bass i been own...... no joke, it happened .....
 
I once bought a 2001 affinity P just so I could use the body with an aluminum neck. To my surprise that bass was fantastic, the fretwork was perfect, pickups were great, it weighed less than 8 pounds, even the finish was great. Played better than any mim p bass I've tried/owned. I still feel stupid for selling it. With that said I've definitely tried some old squiers that were just awful.
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My main P-bass is an American Ultra-II which I find to be mostly wonderful. But I rehearse in lots of tight spaces where my basses bump into things a lot, so I needed a cheap rehearsal bass.

My first attempt was a '90s fixer-upper Squier Affinity P. What a piece of junk. Even after the fixing and the upping it remained junk. The pickups were like antennas. With some tuning I'm sure I could listen to the radio while playing. Even when it wasn't humming tunes, the pickups sounded like junk. The tuners were a joke -- the bass needed frequent re-tuning. The fretwork was atrocious (or maybe the neck was warped), I had to do a ton of leveling to get any acceptable buzz-free action. I got rid of it, it wasn't worth the effort.

My second attempt was a 2020's Indonesia-made Squier Affinity PJ. What a difference! The tuners are rock-solid. The fretwork is good, the neck isn't warped. The P pickup sounds great! No hum, no noise at all, and it actually sounds really great. It's just a proper P-bass.

A few nits: (1) P-pickup output level is waaay too high. I lowered the pickups quite a bit and even then I can't tame the output all that much. Which is a little bit of a problem because I don't like changing my gain stages when I change basses. (2) J-pickup is trash. Its output is so low that any sort of PJ blending just doesn't work.

One major problem is that when I put on my Fender 9050s (tension is quite high) I had to tighten the truss rod almost all the way to counteract. After a couple of days I took those strings off for fear of damaging the neck. I don't think this neck was built to handle this level of tension. I'm back on rounds for now, but LaBella LTFs may be the only flats that work with this bass.

TL;DR: Older Affinitys suck. Newer Indonesia Affinitys rock (with some caveats).
Tldr at the top, not the bottom after I've already been suckered into reading everything.
 
My main P-bass is an American Ultra-II which I find to be mostly wonderful. But I rehearse in lots of tight spaces where my basses bump into things a lot, so I needed a cheap rehearsal bass.

My first attempt was a '90s fixer-upper Squier Affinity P. What a piece of junk. Even after the fixing and the upping it remained junk. The pickups were like antennas. With some tuning I'm sure I could listen to the radio while playing. Even when it wasn't humming tunes, the pickups sounded like junk. The tuners were a joke -- the bass needed frequent re-tuning. The fretwork was atrocious (or maybe the neck was warped), I had to do a ton of leveling to get any acceptable buzz-free action. I got rid of it, it wasn't worth the effort.

My second attempt was a 2020's Indonesia-made Squier Affinity PJ. What a difference! The tuners are rock-solid. The fretwork is good, the neck isn't warped. The P pickup sounds great! No hum, no noise at all, and it actually sounds really great. It's just a proper P-bass.

A few nits: (1) P-pickup output level is waaay too high. I lowered the pickups quite a bit and even then I can't tame the output all that much. Which is a little bit of a problem because I don't like changing my gain stages when I change basses. (2) J-pickup is trash. Its output is so low that any sort of PJ blending just doesn't work.

One major problem is that when I put on my Fender 9050s (tension is quite high) I had to tighten the truss rod almost all the way to counteract. After a couple of days I took those strings off for fear of damaging the neck. I don't think this neck was built to handle this level of tension. I'm back on rounds for now, but LaBella LTFs may be the only flats that work with this bass.

TL;DR: Older Affinitys suck. Newer Indonesia Affinitys rock (with some caveats).
Yes the older ones definitely sucked, and the newer ones are leaps and bounds better.
 
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A good bass is a good bass, regardless of what the headstock says :thumbsup:

The Classic Vibe basses were an absolute steal when they first launched. Prices have gone up a lot all around, but for ~$349 back in the day you got something that easily kept up with the MIM Fender offerings of the day. I hear good things about the current Affinity and Standard lines, even the Sonic ones after some work is done to them.
 
I once bought a 2001 affinity P just so I could use the body with an aluminum neck. To my surprise that bass was fantastic, the fretwork was perfect, pickups were great, it weighed less than 8 pounds, even the finish was great. Played better than any mim p bass I've tried/owned. I still feel stupid for selling it. With that said I've definitely tried some old squiers that were just awful.
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Nice Ric!
 
I've never understood why people will spend 4 figures on pedals, more on their amp, then want to cheap out on their instrument, the one thing that should be with them for decades.
I’ve found that after a point, the instrument isn’t the weak link in my playing …

That said, the nicer basses that I have, do play and sound nicer.

I do like having a bass or two that I can leave at the rehearsal space or at the drummers house without risking a large sum.
 
I've never understood why people will spend 4 figures on pedals, more on their amp, then want to cheap out on their instrument, the one thing that should be with them for decades.
So will a good bass make cheap pedals sound better? Or do good pedals make a cheap bass sound better?
Or does a good bass sound good on its own without any pedals?
🤔
 
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