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My freindly advice to Soundtechs

Discussion in 'Live Sound [BG]' started by stonewall, Oct 15, 2013.


  1. stonewall

    stonewall

    Jun 14, 2010
    ontario,Canada
    Dear Mr Soundguy if you want to make all the musicians on stage happy and feel at ease try this...while the musicians are messing with there final personal stage sound show some interest.Walk up on stage while they are finalizing their sound and give an honest listen up close.Say something like this hey pal thats real nice tones you got going on there im gonna do my very best to reproduce your exact sound for you OK....Most players will really respect that approach.
     
  2. modulusman

    modulusman Banned

    Jan 18, 2004
    montana
    What if he thinks your "tones" sound like crap. Do you want him to tell you that also.
     
  3. Slade N

    Slade N Supporting Member

    May 28, 2005
    portland, or
    hey, i hate your tone but will work to reproduce it accurately
     
  4. stonewall

    stonewall

    Jun 14, 2010
    ontario,Canada
    If he does i know he sucks cause my basses are a good soundman dream.Im just sayin ! Stingray set flat Jazz set flat... take your pick it doesnt get much better for a soundman then that.....PS this post is meant for Bass players with good tone
    .
     
  5. modulusman

    modulusman Banned

    Jan 18, 2004
    montana
    well I hate to break it to you but at most multi band gigs the soundman is too busy trying to get the show on the road to take the time to tell you how great your bass tone is. In my experience if I see the FOH guy heading towards the stage it usually means there is a problem.
     
  6. Hi.

    Back in the late 90's when I was doing pro/semi-pro sound as a house sound person, talking BS during the soundcheck wasn't what got You respect.

    Doing Your job well did.

    BS during the soundcheck got You less or no gigs.

    It was the band-managers job to provide us with the bands material for listening before the gig, but even if it was an act out of the blue, we did our best that the audience got their monies worth.
    With some material, that was a chore and a half :).


    Regards
    Sam
     
  7. karl_em_all

    karl_em_all

    Jul 11, 2013
    Dimension X
    Just have to let the soundman do his job. Best advice is to not tell him how to do it.
     
  8. pedroims

    pedroims

    Dec 19, 2007
    Michigan
    This

    I run the sound in a church, audience is 400-500 people, not much time for sound check , I can tell you by experience that bass players are the only ones that complain about ''their tone''..funny thing is that even they have problems to find their tone on stage. You can see them tweaking knobs until the last minute of the service. 90% of the time I walk to the stage is to tell the bass player to turn the volume down.

    I wonder if ''my tone '' is a bass player thing only, I have never heard a guitar, keyboard, singer, drummer, sax etc saying: I need my tone in FOH
     
  9. Dave Curran

    Dave Curran Lilduke

    Jul 27, 2013
    NEPA
    No, they just keep turning up the volume till they "like" their tone...
     
  10. bass geetarist

    bass geetarist

    Jul 29, 2013
    toronto
    I would think the soundtech would be more concerned with getting a good sound all around for the entire band than individual instrument tones.

    The sound you provide to the soundtech is up to you, and hopefully they'll try to retain as much of it as they can, but ultimately, they should be tweaking eqs and compressors and so forth to make sure the whole band comes across loud and clear, in a room that they should know very well. That could mean a big dip around 80hz (for example) in your bass, which might take away from "your tone", but might clear up the mix in the low end and make the bottom end sound less washy.
     
  11. halfjackson

    halfjackson

    Feb 19, 2010
    Boston, MA
    As long as the soundman asks me what I like to hear in my monitor, I'm happy. Not all do, but it's important to me that I can hear everyone in the band, because I want to be able to intereract with everyone in the band. That usually means, (in addition to the vox, including my backing vox), some keys and possibly horns. I'm usually close enough to the drummer that I don't need much through the wedge.

    I might tell them briefly that I'll be using different tones/effects, but otherwise I try to stay out of their way and let them do their job.
     
  12. jaywa

    jaywa

    May 5, 2008
    Iowa City, IA
    This. As a bassist I have been blamed enough times for things that weren't my fault that I go immediately on the defensive anytime a soundman approaches my area of the stage.

    I even used to have a situation in my church where the sound guy would come up and tweak the knobs on the bass rig while I was playing. If that had been my personal rig he would have been mixing with broken fingers but since it was the house rig I just figured best to let it ride.
     
  13. FWIW: A good monitor soundman will work with you to give you whatever and however you want it in your monitor - but if you’re working dives or uncertain, I highly recommend covering your @$$ by hiring a real soundman.
     
  14. I am Soma

    I am Soma Supporting Member

    Jan 2, 2013
    MN
    i'm glad you like your tone, but make no mistake that not everyone will feel that way. there are many tones out there and even more opinions on whats constitutes as a "good" one.

    as long as the sound quality is good they have earned my respect. i dont need a hug or anything :)
     
  15. Biggbass

    Biggbass

    Dec 14, 2011
    Planet Earth
    Or, from the other angle:

    Dear Mr Musician, if you want to make the sound guys happy and motivate them to do their best to help you and your band sound great, try this;
    While you are dialing in your personal stage sound try to avoid telling us how to do our jobs. We will ask you what you want to hear in your monitors and might even suggest you bass players dial back the bottom end a bit to help you cut thru the FOH mix with better clarity. If you feel the need, say something like this, you guys are doing an amazing job. Thank you. But please don't use the word "Pal".
     
  16. +1.
     
  17. avvie

    avvie

    Oct 12, 2010
    Maui, HI
    What I read there was "Dear Soundman: please stroke my ego and make me feel more confident. I'm surr you've worked with much better bands. A card and flowers would be nice too. Thanks, your pal, Guy With Bass."
     
  18. will33

    will33

    May 22, 2006
    austin,tx
    There are a lot of soundmen who would be doing a lot of bands a favor by not accurately reproducing their crap tones.

    I take the garbage in/garbage out view that if your tone sucks on its own, it should just suck louder through the system, but if you work for the venue and not the individual bands, your job is to give the audience the best sound you can with what you're given as a source.

    Some of those guys end up working miracles every night.
     
  19. thetaxmiser

    thetaxmiser Supporting Member

    Feb 23, 2002
    Sonoma County, CA, USA
    Perhaps because they are not mixed so that they are an inarticulate thud similar to the bass drum. I think there is a generation of soundmen who believe the bass note is only struck at the same time as the bass drum. The bass is mixed as a low end rumble suitable only for 1/4 or 1/8 notes.

    While I don't expect to get my tone, I would at least like to occupy the space in the mix where I normally reside. The last few shows I have attended locally have destroyed the bass player. Some of these guys were good players and it was a shame they were buried in a horrible mix.
     
  20. elgecko

    elgecko

    Apr 30, 2007
    Anasleim, CA
    I didn't know sound men were there to make a band happy.
     

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