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My preamp bender: A Journal.

@Derek Williams IIRC, you also own a DLA-2A?

I am fairly sure that there's something not entirely right with mine. When I plug in a regular Fender P bass into the instrument input and raise the Gain past 9 o'clock with the Peak Reduction off, I get distortion. Nasty distortion that is not musical and does not sound like a high class tube unit driven into saturation at all.

Can you confirm this is not how yours works?
 
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@Derek Williams IIRC, you also own a DLA-2A?

I am fairly sure that there's something not entirely right with mine. When I plug in a regular Fender P bass into the instrument input and raise the Gain past 9 o'clock with the Peak Reduction off, I get distortion. Nasty distortion that is not musical and does not sound like a high class tube unit driven into saturation at all.

Can you confirm this is not how yours works?
I'll see if I can reproduce that, should be able to find a moment soon to do so.
 
I tried it with balanced output and the same result.

It's such a large amount of gain that it doesn't bother me at all though. It would be nice if the gain had a bit more usable range of instrument level input, but I don't know how it compares to a "real" LA-2A
 
In all my testing yesterday (I played until my fingers were sore, so a lot), I had this "Creamy and soft vs. sharp and snappy" cloud over my head.
This morning I realized that what I did here was that I dropped the Doc into a cultivated ecosystem that was designed, set and tweaked to accommodate the LA-1A and Cali76 couple.
When the Cali adds a bit of a presence and a snappy feel to the tone, I might be able to dial in some of that on the EQ to make up for it's absence - and set the general topic to suit the new dynamics and sound of the DLA-2A to get a fairer level of comparison.
I suppose that when I tweak the board to accommodate the DLA-2A the result will tip the scales . . . probably with a 16t weight.
 
With some delight, I found out that the DLA-2A is a bit shorter than the LA-1A. The top row is populated with pedals that all run top jacks, so squeezing a little answered all my questions:
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I simply put the Cali back on the board. This time it does not really do the comp stuff. It is set to limit peaks and do its tonal magic, giving that snappy smack to the notes, while the DLA-2A does the audible compression on the stuff the Cali lets through.
 
Reading this bit here really drove my point home:

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Since the Cali is a 1176 variant and the DLA-2A is the closest thing to the LA-2A you can strap on a pedalboard, I tried to recreate their idea of using the lightning fast compressor for Peak limiting and the slower optical compressor for the audible compression. It took a while to balance the two, but the results I'm getting are really pleasing to my ear.
I will have to go back to the LA-1A at some point to determine if the sound is audibly better and if I really want to keep a $1200 piece of gear ovet
 
I will have to go back to the LA-1A at some point to determine if the sound is audibly better and if I really want to keep a $1200 piece of gear ovet

I mean, your whole ethos is built around squeezing the maximum amount of juice from every tone orange in your musical grove. This doesn't seem like the appropriate juncture at which to decide to roll back your sniffing of corks!
 
Enjoying this one so far @sloppy_phil
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Oh man, that's super cool! Really glad you are digging it, sir. It's a very fun project to be part of, although it can (at first) seem like quite a strange mash-up of genres and sounds!

New album is in the works, which will feature all kinds of TB Pedals/Effects lurkers-approved goodies. That last record was mostly bass > Ampeg B15 + Avalon U5. So boring! ;)
 
Oh man, that's super cool! Really glad you are digging it, sir. It's a very fun project to be part of, although it can (at first) seem like quite a strange mash-up of genres and sounds!

New album is in the works, which will feature all kinds of TB Pedals/Effects lurkers-approved goodies. That last record was mostly bass > Ampeg B15 + Avalon U5. So boring! ;)
Yea, going from the first song to the second one threw me for a loop but once the shock wore off I enjoyed it. I can see you all having a dedicated fan base. Great musicianship all around. And that “boring” setup sounded nice. Nice playing and tones throughout. I could actually picture how I could use a Broughton RFE to cop the tone on one of the songs so that meant I had to source one over here in Europe. It’ll be my fourth one so hopefully this time it sticks. :facepalm: Anyway, looking forward to the next release, keep us posted.
 
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Yea, going from the first song to the second one threw me for a loop but once the shock wore off I enjoyed it. I can see you all having a dedicated fan base. Great musicianship all around. And that “boring” setup sounded nice. Nice playing and tones throughout. I could actually picture how I could use a Broughton RFE to cop the tone on one of the songs so that meant I had to source one over here in Europe. It’ll be my fourth one so hopefully this time it sticks. :facepalm: Anyway, looking forward to the next release, keep us posted.

You should have a stern talking to for selling the RFE three times now,
but since you've sold your second unit to me, I can't be the stern talker.
 
It would be plain stupid of me to not include this into the preamp bender as well as the dirt jounal.
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My most recent acquisition is the Bassrig '64.
I did buy it because it is capable of dirt and has a VERY interesting EQ if you use it slightly different from what Origin thought you would, by shaping your tone with the Fender tonestack pre clipping and then use the "Amp out EQ" section to refine your tone after that.

However, this is as preamp pedal as they come. It has a DI out and all the stuff, so I gave it a shot in this function, too.

First of all, I want to complain about the signal path(s).
As it was discussed in multiple threads here, the outputs from the XLR and 1/4" out are vastly different.
The 1/4" out gets a high and low frequency boost/cut option along with a LPF to kill an unwanted horn in the provided backline amp. The XLR out has a baked in cab sim that cannot be switched off whatever you do.

The cab sim in the '64 is a vintage 2x15 Fender cab.
Imagine a modern cabinet, then drape a duvet over that, preferably a damp one.

I ran the 1/4" out into a simple DI pedal as an alternative and the results were much better to my ear. You can still limit the top at 4k or 2k with the switch if needed.

In that setup, I had a lot more fun with the pedal than with the XLR out.
I tried running it inside my pedalboard, instead of the ParaEQ Deluxe and the LowRider.
The results were, awesome. I got a great tone that was sitting in the mix in a silky smooth manner.
It is a great pairing with a P bass, both with rounds or flats - or basically anything that is by itself a bit mid-forward.
My ear tells me that the flattest setting you get is around 2,5-10-2,5 and not 0-10-0. What I'm fairly confident in saying is that you don't really get to boost your mids. What you get are amazing lows and a very nice top end. I flip flopped between the '64 and the ParaEQ/LowRider and in my personal case, the latter came out on top whenever I was using my Le Fay (Jazz Bass pickup configuration) because I am able to give it a bit of a hump in the 600Hz area that lets it sit nicer in a mix. The P bass is strong enough on its own to sit nicely, though.
Sitting between my Cali76 and my Doc Lloyd, it gives the tone a very nice color for music styles that leave a bit of room for the bass and don't require it to shoulder itself through a dense mix. The dirt on tap is very tasteful and you can dial it in to be a bit fuzzy around the edges which does not really give it an aggressive edge, but more of a warmer feeling.

I'd really wish for an option to kill off the cab sim on the XLR out, this would immensely increase the usefulness of that pedal.
 
I am a P w. rounds player and I briefly had the 64 (and the SV as well). I only played them using the cab sim on the XLR out.
The Fender tone stack really confuses me A LOT and I struggling especially with "missing" low mids with pick playing.
I wish I had giving it more time to explore the amp out into a DI, though.

On the other hand I really enjoy my Empress ParaEQ Deluxe/Cali 76 combo.