Well, posting this thread and feeding it with a comment suggesting greenboy was bad mouthing Mikes work isn't closing the door - just saying. It cost Mike a lot of time and money - maybe greenboy should of just built his cab for you himself.
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My terrible Mike Arnopol experience
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Well, posting this thread and feeding it with a comment suggesting greenboy was bad mouthing Mikes work isn't closing the door - just saying. It cost Mike a lot of time and money - maybe greenboy should of just built his cab for you himself.
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I'd just like to know what he was saying to Mike's customer (the OP) while all of this was taking place - and how it was helping.
EDIT: If the OP is going to post comments like that on an open public forum for all of us to read - at least tell us the whole story.
It appears the OP and Mike don't wish to comment on this particular item and why drag a third party into this?
Here's what I've learned:
* A nice guy named Monster bought a cabinet
* The cabinet had problems
* The nice guy builder Mike tried to fix it although it appears that both parties agree that it was not fixed
* Odd in that Monster's cabinet was played by a bunch of mystery payers and apparently it created more business for Mike
* Odd in that I read that both parties still agree that the cabinet had problems
* Both are amicable and professional about the whole deal
* Maybe this is the first problem for the builder
* Both parties feel badly about the experience.
In hind sight, what would Monster and Mike have done differently if this were to happen again?
I'd like to learn something from this and I believe the answers are where the rubber meets the road.
That's a good question for the OP - why did he drag a third party into this? Maybe because it revolved around him and Mike was caught in the middle? I don't know - that's why I asking.
Me too and I agree - so lets hear the whole story.
It's greenboy's design. His baby. No offense to Mike but he is only the builder. Yes he represents himself but also greenboy.
At greenboy's behest Mr. Arnopol could make money off GB designs.
Its in everyone's best interest a quality product gets delivered.
I understand the OP dealt with the builder first. After repeated attempts he went to greenboy.
Wouldn't you do the same?
Greenboy isn't a third party. Its his product, as provided by his Authorized Builders.
Just like buying a Sony TV at best buy, immediate problems go to the store (authorized builder) bigger or unresolved ones go to the brand like Sony or in this case greenboy.
Reading your posts in this thread, nothing constructive - strange view on the matter of things.
Not a cherry pick dude. Any semi-intelligent person can read the original post. Somebody said he should have complained immediately, implying that he didn't. In fact he did, so I showed only the relevant part.
Why does everything have to turn into a pissing contest?
Here's "some" of the impression I've gotten from reading this thread. Mike was caught in the middle between his customer and the designer with cheap plastic and discontinued parts or hard to get components which was causing delays - and when Mike asked the designer for some extra help he didn't get it - but his work was bad mouthed instead and he was removed from the authorized list. Of course I only know what I've been reading here. But I find it very interesting and I would really like to know the whole truth - if you call that trolling, then so be it.
This is a gigantic portion what I've been trying to communicate with this story. I'm glad that it was understood.
None of which are relevant to the problems with this cab, with the exception of possible sourcing delay during the repairs.
Your take is unneccessarily inflammatory toward *all* parties, and based almost entirely upon a pile of assumptions. Like i said, if truly you cared about information more than pot stirring, you'd be gathering information instead of working that spoon.
Your take is unneccessarily inflammatory toward *all* parties, and based almost entirely upon a pile of assumptions. Like i said, if truly you cared about information more than pot stirring, you'd be gathering information instead of working that spoon.
It's disingenuous to blame the cab's failure on the tweeter's plastic waveguide. The fiberglass material and mounting technique was inherently unstable. It was destined to shatter -- and buzz. Like Monster, I know this from experience. I had five fiberglass cabs, and every single one failed. So his story is not unique. The whole fiberglass concept was a disaster that could never have a happy ending. But none of us knew that, as we were beta testers on a product concept that was unproven. The execution was flawed and resulting fallout inevitable. It's really too bad. Some of us lost a lot of money chasing that dream. Never again for me! I'm a permanent convert to the stability of wood.
Best Buy doesn't build Sony TV's - lol, it's not even close to the same. BTW: this is why I said I think boutique cabinet designers builders like Barefaced has a bigger upper hand over Fearful - because Barefaced has precession tooling and in house oversight of QC and assumes all responsibilities including losses without putting the loss and or blame on a third party when a customer isn't happy.
+ A gazillion!
After my experiences with composite I would not touch it ever again. Besides with lighter woods available it really doesnt offer that much of an advantage. My AoN built 15/6 weighed 39.6LBS and my DIY 15/6 built from Italian Poplar weighed 43LBS. For a difference of 3.4LBS it is so *not* worth it to go composite. What a headache.
FWIW I've had my composite Dually that Mike built for about two years. I've gigged with it and moved it around plenty...I've had no issues whatsoever with stability or any structural damage and it sounds fantastic.
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