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NAD - Phil Jones Double Four! Review and Pics.

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First off, this thing is small! I first read about this amp on the Double Bass side of TB and it peaked my interest. There doesn't seem to be anything else being manufactured in the same category. I think it could be the smallest lightest true Bass amplifier available right now. Approx 10 lbs.

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I was a little skeptical about Phil Jones stuff in general because the old Briefcase models always sounded a little light in the bass frequencies to my ear. In this case I was fortunate enough to be able to try before I buy with my local dealer in Toronto. The guys at Moog Audio were really nice to deal with and just let me jam on whatever I wanted for as long as I wanted without any pressure.

They also had a PJ Bass Cub as well. With it's added features it made it look really appealing but the Bass Cub didn't come close to the sound that I wanted. It was a little too warm and lacked some real low end even with the bass EQ maxed out. My 5 string FBass BN5 did not sound like itself at all.

Enter the Double Four, wow! Really? Not only is it smaller than the Cub but it sounds soooo much bigger, deeper, and crisp to my ears. YMMV

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The square radiator speaker in the back of the combo is really well executed IMO. The whole room filled up with a smooth bass tone. I was also able to hear the treble and articulation much more clearly over the Cub possibly due to the newer designed drivers in the Double Four.

I had the Fdeck HPF hooked up to see if it got me any more volume and to check the low frequency response of the Double Four. I was amazed that I started to hear the bottom dropping out at about 3:00 when I started turning the HPF up from 35 Hz. My 5 Strings can work well with that kind of response.

In addition to my Fbass BN5 I brought my SWR Headlite 110 combo equipped with a Deltalite II speaker and upgraded horn tweeter for a reference:

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I'm rather familiar with this amps sound and used it to cross reference my A/B'ing. I didn't want to get caught up in getting a false impression and impulse buy so it was great to have there.

For such a small package, the Phil Jones Double Four not only had great tone but the achievable volume was surprising as well:

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Twin 4" drivers!

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It will easily handle jamming with a couple of acoustics, singers, and perhaps some percussion. The line out could be used to run to a P.A. if one was to do those 2 or 3 piece acoustic gigs as well. The real value of this combo is in it's size, weight, and tone IMO.

The features are minimal but effective:

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The mute function is a welcomed feature as I use them a lot in between sets and instrument changes. The padded input isn't much use to me personally because I don't have any overly hot active basses but it does make the Double Four more versatile.

The frequency centers seemed to work well for me. I personally found the mid band width to be a bit narrow for my liking but all in all it is a very usable EQ. I was amazed that I didn't need to dial up the bass knob much at all to get my low B to slip out and sound nice.

The auxiliary input for an iPod / iPhone is also great as you can use all the handy new Apps to run your phone into the Double Four and really expand it's usefulness. For example, you could run your buddy's electric guitar into it using an iOS amp modeler then into the Double Four. Or perhaps a drum machine.

The headphone and line out will also be of great use in a small combo like this.

With the passive radiator this combo is sensitive to positioning. In the store I had it about 3 feet away from the wall at various heights and it always sounded full and articulate. It has plenty of feet on it to help orient it and place it to fit many situations. I tried placing it close to the wall and in a corner and noticed the added deep sound. I rolled back the Bass EQ a bit to compensate. I also tried turning it vertical to reduce the added floor coupling which worked well and gave the Double Four a little more projection. It's design makes it very capable of using the amp placement properly to get the sound you might want.

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The handle is very comfortable. It's kind of ridiculously heavy duty for this ultra light weight application but that's part of the Double Fours charm.

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The power supply is an external one. As you'll see below there is not enough space inside the small box for it. It's not too large but it should be noted for comparing actual portability to other units like the Cub or Markbass MiniMark which have an internal power supply.

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The build quality is exceptional all around as well. Much like when I was a kid, I still feel the need to take my toys apart to see how they work!

Note the separate power wires to each speaker off the board. Phil Jones states that this combo is designed with two separate amps. One for each speaker.

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This looks like the separate output power transistor pairs for each speaker:

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The silicone under each capacitor is a sign of quality construction that should aid in reliability over the years of being moved and jarred around.

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Here's the brains behind the sound of the Phil Jones Double Four:

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Here's the internal view of the passive radiator:

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If you closed your eyes, you would never guess these are 4" drivers:

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So far I'm really quite impressed with this combo and for the price it seems to bring a decent value. Aside from a single 6" Markbass combo, I don't think there is much competition in this particular market. However, if a manufacturer was going to go there, they had better be prepared for a fight. The Phil Jones Double Four really is something to marvel at both performance and price. IMHO
 
I originally purchased the Double Four for use in a portable remote campfire jams. Up to now, I've been using my SWR combo shown above or a Peavey Minx before that. I would hook them up to a car starter battery pack and a cheap inverter.

The Double Four is powered by 20VDC which is good for this application as I can now eliminate the regular AC PJ power supply and inverter all together and replace it with a DC - DC converter and connect it directly to the battery pack. I was able to find one that could source enough current for the Double Four at reasonable price on eBay.

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I'll have to mount it in a plastic box and wire up a 12V accessory plug for the input plus the Double Four male connection jack on the output but it should work well for my use.

I'll report back once I get it all together.
 
Great review. I built a 2x6" based on the PJB, and now I want to build a 2x5". The 2x4" idea is great I may build one.

The 2x6" sounds loud enough to play with a drummer. Light drummer...

Sounds interesting. I don't know how all the speaker gurus work out the application of a passive radiator but IMHO the LFPR (Low Frequency Passive Radiator) is key to this particular combos deep sound despite its small size.
 
Thanks for posting a review, especially the comparison to the Bass Cub. I sold my Cub a little while back to help fund something else, but I do miss the usefulness of it.

The Double Four looks great. Sound-wise, it sounds closer to what I would want. The Cub sounded great, but I did find it very warm sounding and very middy. I had to adjust the eq quite a bit to get the sound I liked.
 
I recently bought one simply because it easily fits in a carry on bag.

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/phil-jones-double-4-mini-combo-my-take-1002987/

Good honest review Lomo! I don't know how I missed that on TB. After reading that the now discontinued Genz Benz Shuttle 3 8" combo will go louder, deeper and sound as good at almost the same size as the Double Four, I can't help but wonder why it wasn't a more successful product for Genz. It has me wondering if Phil Jones is perhaps barking up the wrong tree in the small portable bass amp market.

From what I can tell, Phil Jones equipment has a loyal following in Japan which may be the true target consumers for the Double Four. I guess time will tell if this new product stays in production. I agree with your take on the volume. It will not be capable of keeping up with a drummer at all and is only good for smaller rooms or P.A. support will be required.

IMO, the Double Four could be used in quiet coffee house gigs where the band is creating ambiance and people will converse over the band.
 
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20v DC??? Is there a battery which can power this?
The sheer number of battery powered bass amps is positively underwhelming.

I quick search on eBay shows that there are 20V Lithium Ion batteries and chargers used in the cordless Drill market. I suppose you could adapt one of those for use with the Double Four. I plan on making an adapter that will convert 12V to 20V and use a car starter battery pack.
 
I quick search on eBay shows that there are 20V Lithium Ion batteries and chargers used in the cordless Drill market. I suppose you could adapt one of those for use with the Double Four. I plan on making an adapter that will convert 12V to 20V and use a car starter battery pack.

Interesting! And thanks for the info. Handheld jump box prolly good for 60 to 90 minutes id guess.
 
Interesting! And thanks for the info. Handheld jump box prolly good for 60 to 90 minutes id guess.

My estimation is A LOT longer. I use my jumper pack with the SWR Headlite combo listed above for 6-8 hrs on a single charge. It's powering a preamp tube the whole time which wastes a lot of power. The DF is much less power hungry and should last me 10-12 hrs. No math, just my experience and expectations.
 
Wondering if you got to hook up your DC-DC converter yet? I wish it would just run on 12v like the briefcase! I am extremely interested in how easily this amp can go off grid.

Not yet. I'll have to wait for it to be shipped from China so I'd imagine it'll be few weeks before I get it. I'll post up in this thread when I do so feel free to subscribe if you want to know how it goes.
 
Has anyone compared this to the Roland Micro Cube or the Bass Cube 20XL?

I haven't owned the Roland but just on paper the Micro Cube is only 5W. That's great if you plan on running on batteries but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts it doesn't come close to the Double Four in low end volume.

The 20XL may be comparable soundwise however it's over twice the weight and size.

Sonically Roland makes decent stuff in my experience (IME) however, it appears a lot of audio engineering expertise went into the Double Four that I can't say for sure went into either model of the Rolands. YMMV

Sorry I couldn't be more help.
 
I haven't owned the Roland but just on paper the Micro Cube is only 5W. That's great if you plan on running on batteries but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts it doesn't come close to the Double Four in low end volume.

The 20XL may be comparable soundwise however it's over twice the weight and size.

Sonically Roland makes decent stuff in my experience (IME) however, it appears a lot of audio engineering expertise went into the Double Four that I can't say for sure went into either model of the Rolands. YMMV

Sorry I couldn't be more help.

Actually, you have been very helpful. You made me aware of the PJ amp and put all the specs in one place. I can see where it's worth the <$200 up over either of the Roland amps if one wants a tiny, light weight amp.
 
I have the Roland Micro Cube Bass as well. It's bulkier, heavier and doesn't have the same quality of fit and finish. The PJ gets louder and goes lower, for sure. I have the Roland for it's battery capability.



I haven't owned the Roland but just on paper the Micro Cube is only 5W. That's great if you plan on running on batteries but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts it doesn't come close to the Double Four in low end volume.

The 20XL may be comparable soundwise however it's over twice the weight and size.

Sonically Roland makes decent stuff in my experience (IME) however, it appears a lot of audio engineering expertise went into the Double Four that I can't say for sure went into either model of the Rolands. YMMV

Sorry I couldn't be more help.
 
I use an Acoustic B200. It's a 200 watt x 1/15" it's small enough to carry in with your guitar, has plenty a tone and bottom, and is relatively inexpensive. New it's $about $349, but I've seen excellent used ones for under $300.
The good part is that it works well with acoustic bands as well as electric. it's a good gig amp for small and medium venues, as well as practice sessions.