I recently got my wife an EV Everse8 and I've been tempted to try it for a gig. It's super light
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That looks great. My band has a little 8” headrush and it gets LOUD! But doesn’t have the push in the lows for bass.
Sorry if this question has already been answered, but...
How is this any different from putting a typical compact combo bass amp in front of you and angling it up toward your face (a roll of gaff tape under it always works, or you could use one of the "tiltback" ones, such as made by Ampeg and Hartke), and also sending your signal to the house?
How is this any different from putting a typical compact combo bass amp in front of you and angling it up toward your face (a roll of gaff tape under it always works, or you could use one of the "tiltback" ones, such as made by Ampeg and Hartke), and also sending your signal to the house?
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The voicing will depend on the preamp rather than the powered speaker.
I just picked up a mint K12.2 with a cover for only $500. I plan on using it as a bass amp when appropriate, plus as a mini PA for e-drums and vocals when playing with my kids. I’m very excited. The sound is so clear and precise.
IME FWIW:
QSC K10 (1st gen): I'll take this to Classic Rock-basement rehearsal-acoustic drums type setups with any Tech21 pedal and will always (strangely & surprisingly to me) get an unsolicited positive comment about the bass sound. It's loud enough, low enough, and tight enough for a rock band in that setting. I have also used it for bar gigs without problems. However, I wouldn't take it to an outdoor gig unless there's a decent PA system.
QSC K8.2: I took it to a small room rock rehearsal once and it tripped the thermal protection and shut down after a couple of minutes. I was running it as a bass amp & vocal monitor. For around the house, low volume practice it works fine and sounds great.
For bell bottom slapping or just a great overall bass sound, nothing sounds & feels better to me than an SVT cab.
For reference, I don't go for booming "wooly" or "woofy" (<-Talkbass terminology) low end. I think room resonance matters greatly too. IMHO.
QSC K10 (1st gen): I'll take this to Classic Rock-basement rehearsal-acoustic drums type setups with any Tech21 pedal and will always (strangely & surprisingly to me) get an unsolicited positive comment about the bass sound. It's loud enough, low enough, and tight enough for a rock band in that setting. I have also used it for bar gigs without problems. However, I wouldn't take it to an outdoor gig unless there's a decent PA system.
QSC K8.2: I took it to a small room rock rehearsal once and it tripped the thermal protection and shut down after a couple of minutes. I was running it as a bass amp & vocal monitor. For around the house, low volume practice it works fine and sounds great.
For bell bottom slapping or just a great overall bass sound, nothing sounds & feels better to me than an SVT cab.
For reference, I don't go for booming "wooly" or "woofy" (<-Talkbass terminology) low end. I think room resonance matters greatly too. IMHO.
I know this has mainly been about QSC options, but I'm basically deciding between:
Electro-Voice ZLX-12P-G2 - about 33 lbs.
or
one or two Fender Rumble 100 combo(s) - 22 lbs each.
I have a Two Notes Opus that I can run the line out into either the EV Hi-Z input or the R100c FX Return - along with DI out to FOH.
Electro-Voice ZLX-12P-G2 - about 33 lbs.
or
one or two Fender Rumble 100 combo(s) - 22 lbs each.
I have a Two Notes Opus that I can run the line out into either the EV Hi-Z input or the R100c FX Return - along with DI out to FOH.
Good Unit!
I would suggest you take your Opus to a store and try a Powered PA versus Combo bass amp.
People seem to fail with modeling when they try to use their already colored amps and cabs to reproduce another amp and cab.
A rumble is not going to be accurate in reproducing another amp and cab.
A PA/FOH speaker on the other hand is meant to accurately reproduce the signal it is sent. Some do a better job than others. I you send it a signal that models an amp, and has an IR from a cabinet, the PA/FOH has the most likely chance to reproduce it right. PA/FOH usually also does a better job at dispersion, so the sound is more even across the stage.
If you try that cab and find it sounds weak on the bass, add a subwoofer.
I concur with what you are saying, but putting the Opus signal into the R100c FX Return bypasses the combo's preamp and should not color it as much as the instrument input.
I figure there is probably still a closer reproduction of the sims with the PA cab, but I want to try it with the R100c to find out how much coloring there is that way - the R100c is cheaper, lighter, & scalable if I need more stage sound or if the PA is inadequate or non-existent.
The difference in a live band setting might be small or not.
A couple of quirks to note about the Rumble 100:
- The FX Return comes after all of the controls, so plugging into it effectively bypasses them. This includes the Master volume, so you'll need to adjust the output level of the Opus if you want to change the stage volume
- The XLR Line Out has a permanent cab sim applied to it, so if you want to send a DI signal to the desk, you'll definitely need to take it from the Opus
I don't own one any more, but as I recall they're quite "voiced". i.e. low cut, high cut, and mid scoop. I imagine you're likely to get a better result from the Electro-Voice, given that it aims to be comparatively neutral/flat/uncoloured.
Also, given that this is a QSC thread - consider the QSC CP12, as recommended in the OP and only 50 bucks more than the EV
- The FX Return comes after all of the controls, so plugging into it effectively bypasses them. This includes the Master volume, so you'll need to adjust the output level of the Opus if you want to change the stage volume
- The XLR Line Out has a permanent cab sim applied to it, so if you want to send a DI signal to the desk, you'll definitely need to take it from the Opus
I don't own one any more, but as I recall they're quite "voiced". i.e. low cut, high cut, and mid scoop. I imagine you're likely to get a better result from the Electro-Voice, given that it aims to be comparatively neutral/flat/uncoloured.
Also, given that this is a QSC thread - consider the QSC CP12, as recommended in the OP and only 50 bucks more than the EV
Thank you for the info.A couple of quirks to note about the Rumble 100:
- The FX Return comes after all of the controls, so plugging into it effectively bypasses them. This includes the Master volume, so you'll need to adjust the output level of the Opus if you want to change the stage volume
- The XLR Line Out has a permanent cab sim applied to it, so if you want to send a DI signal to the desk, you'll definitely need to take it from the Opus
I don't own one any more, but as I recall they're quite "voiced". i.e. low cut, high cut, and mid scoop. I imagine you're likely to get a better result from the Electro-Voice, given that it aims to be comparatively neutral/flat/uncoloured.
Also, given that this is a QSC thread - consider the QSC CP12, as recommended in the OP and only 50 bucks more than the EV
From what I've read the ZLX-12P-G2 has a better low end (even though, just by the specs, it's too close to tell).
I will try to find and try both.
When I use only the CP12, my board has tuner, HX One, JHS Punchline, and Sushi Finally as my DI. That small board gives me tuner, downtune/chorus/other in HX One, compressor/drive/preamp in Punchline, and then tube goodness DI with Finally. It is on a Nano+ board.
I run a Yorkville nx25p which is a powered 12. It runs 250w continuous (not RMS). Would a CP12 be a massive step up in power from a rig like this? Asking because i have the change to buy an SVT-3 pro with an svt210 cabinet for slightly less than the cost of one of these qsc speakers. I’m less worried about the size than I am about volume, however if the volume is similar, the size and weight of the QSC CP 12 would be a huge advantage…
A year and a half ago, my initial attempts at using my K10.2 were fairly uninformed. After some further efforts with guidance from folks like @agedhorse, I sorted out the issues and have even acquired an additional K12.2 for larger backline use. With a good pedalboard preamp and proper setup, these QSC boxes rock the house. I’m all in, if a bit slow on the uptake.
I wound up finding a good deal on a used Rumble 100 Combo (which by the way, the Master does control the output level on mine, anyway, when running a modeler into the FX Return).
I upgraded the stock 4 Ohm driver with a Celestion BN12-300S (4) and it sounds smoother in the midrange, goes louder, and is just a bit lighter.
Anyway, if I were to have the funds I would now go with the following.
The active PA cabs Electro-Voice ELX200-10P and Electro-Voice ELX200-12SP for giving a consistent sound on stage and through a PA.
With a good pedal preamp or modeler (I have a Two Notes Opus that sounds awesome) you'd have a killer rig and the ELX200-10P would be plenty by itself in a lot of situations (especially if there's a decent PA).
Sorry about the non-QSC post.
I read a lot of reviews on Sweetwater, I think that QSC has had some quality issues affecting reliability - maybe that's been resolved or maybe they have just sold so many that a few bad units are bound to show up.
I upgraded the stock 4 Ohm driver with a Celestion BN12-300S (4) and it sounds smoother in the midrange, goes louder, and is just a bit lighter.
Anyway, if I were to have the funds I would now go with the following.
The active PA cabs Electro-Voice ELX200-10P and Electro-Voice ELX200-12SP for giving a consistent sound on stage and through a PA.
With a good pedal preamp or modeler (I have a Two Notes Opus that sounds awesome) you'd have a killer rig and the ELX200-10P would be plenty by itself in a lot of situations (especially if there's a decent PA).
Sorry about the non-QSC post.
I read a lot of reviews on Sweetwater, I think that QSC has had some quality issues affecting reliability - maybe that's been resolved or maybe they have just sold so many that a few bad units are bound to show up.
I had a system at an old job... subs, mains, monitors, etc... never had an issue.
My band now has all QSC... subs, mains, monitors... never had an issue.
One man's experience, of course.
If I guessed, they sold so many that there are bound to be a few.
