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NBD 2010 Fender MIM Road Worn Jazz

I picked up a similar age road worn jazz neck a few years ago and eventually incorporated it into a pink Flea bass partscaster (road worn neck, flea body and hardware). I bought a bunch of jazz pickups to try(basically what's been suggested here) because someone had already removed the stock PV64's that are unobtainium these days and - for me - the PV74's from Fender won hands down. All sounded great, all did that jazz bass thing, but the 74's felt like me. And they still do. That bass wears flats and rounds equally well, depending on the gig.
 
I have to hand it to Fender for most of their new/vintage finishes.
They certainly look like my old basses, which were the real thing.

You probably wouldn't want to drag a vintage bass to a typical bar gig like ours.

Oh, it's not that bad, at least not like the regional biker bars we played in the 70's when different MCs weren't exactly on friendly terms.

And almost all the places we play now are non-smoking.

But our stages are still crowded enough that gear gets bumped around a lot.

Probably the most damaging part - the great equalizer - is weather; deep-freeze trailers in the winter, playing outdoors in 101f temps (like we'll be back at Friday - sweat just soaks through vintage nitro doncha know), rain and extreme temperature changes - We're in Texas after all.

What I like about the Fender RW stuff is you don't sweat the dents, nicks & grime. They sound and play great, and if something catastrophic happens to one, you're not out the equivalent cost of a new BMW 5-series, or even a 15 year old Honda Civic.
 
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Congratulations, I love my 2011 with its Birdseye maple neck. Tell Fralin or Lollar what sounds your looking for and let them do the rest.

Thanks - UPDATE:

I monkeyed around with the stock pickups again and just couldn't get 'em happening for what I prefer.

I decided to grab a replacement set locally to have this bass gig-ready by Thursday's start of a 4-night run (3 nights and an early evening).

Since my formative and early gigging decade was the 70's, I rolled the dice on a Fender PV '74 Jazz Bass set, and installed/dialed 'em in about an hour ago while watching the Rangers beat the Devil Rays a second night in a row (hello 2nd-half-of-the-season).

Initial take: Slightly overwound sound with lots of growl coming off the bridge. While the neck is noticeably more articulate than the dull thump from the stock pickup, it's still got some meat and punch. There's a much wider pallet blending the two together.

I cranked the TH-500 and 410 cab along with a couple clips blaring through a 2-way 15" PA speaker to try to get a sense of context; These pickups seem to sit well in the mix.

Thanks for the suggestions; Ask me what I think about these by next week.
 
Thanks - UPDATE:

I monkeyed around with the stock pickups again and just couldn't get 'em happening for what I prefer.

I decided to grab a replacement set locally to have this bass gig-ready by Thursday's start of a 4-night run (3 nights and an early evening).

Since my formative and early gigging decade was the 70's, I rolled the dice on a Fender PV '74 Jazz Bass set, and installed/dialed 'em in about an hour ago while watching the Rangers beat the Devil Rays a second night in a row (hello 2nd-half-of-the-season).

Initial take: Slightly overwound sound with lots of growl coming off the bridge. While the neck is noticeably more articulate than the dull thump from the stock pickup, it's still got some meat and punch. There's a much wider pallet blending the two together.

I cranked the TH-500 and 410 cab along with a couple clips blaring through a 2-way 15" PA speaker to try to get a sense of context; These pickups seem to sit well in the mix.

Thanks for the suggestions; Ask me what I think about these by next week.

Cool! Sounds like the PV 74s may work out nicely! Man... I think there are just a TON of good options out there these days. I had a Fender "Original '62" P pickup in a project bass I sold awhile back and it was just fantastic sounding.

Definitely let us know how it worked out after your next gig!

A TH500 user... I see you are a man of culture, as well! :D
 
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Cool! Sounds like the PV 74s may work out nicely!

So far the pickups have passed the sniff test with my wife, my most directed critic in matters of tone - If I sound good and sit right in the mix - that's all on her. Some of it may have rubbed off on me, but it all started with her.

Man... I think there are just a TON of good options out there these days. I had a Fender "Original '62" P pickup in a project bass I sold awhile back and it was just fantastic sounding.

I've heard great things about the '62s - just a little gun shy about the dull/thump interpretation of early 60's pickups some builders offer.

Definitely let us know how it worked out after your next gig!

Will do, though it will probably be an aggregate review of the next 4, Thurs-Sun.

A TH500 user... I see you are a man of culture, as well! :D

Yeah, not so sure there. My culture probably extends to the condition of the cottage cheese in my fridge, if that.
 

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As a massive DiMarzio fan...I personally wouldn't recommend the Ultra-J's for what you described. They are pretty scooped and give a rather modern tone, which doesn't sound exactly like what you're looking for.

I also wouldn't recommend the Model J's either, they are wound to be pretty mid-heavy and get closer to a P-bass tone to my ears. They can growl, but perhaps not the type you're looking for.


The newer DiMarzio Relentless and Sixties pickups get a good bit of love, have some neat features on them, but are a bit on the expensive side IMO. May want to look into those, or some of the others people have recommended (Fralins, Fender PV, SD Antiquities, etc.) if you're going for a more classic tone. Best of luck on the search, that is a mighty gorgeous bass!

I been use the Ultra J along with DR Lorider SS bass string. that is a great match for Sparkling Piano-like Shinny J tone !
 
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You still rockin' the PV 74'S? I'm keen to hear if they are still on your Roadworn after 6 months?
Those are top notch pickups in my opinion. Have them on one of my basses.

Yep, still rockin' the PV '74s. I like 'em so much I put a set in a fretless J.

All but three snippets on this demo are using the RW J with the '74s - I used a P on the remaining three:

 
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Relentless J™ Bass Bridge | DiMarzio

Growliest bridge I've ever played. I just put these in a new build and I absolutely love them. I have already used the Relentless Neck and Middle pickups in a P bass build and they are awesome.
I was hoping the Relentless J set pulled a similar trick as the P set in adding clarity, depth, and overall fidelity to a knuckle-bustin' tone and they absolutely do.

They have adjustable pole pieces and are already radiused a bit. Should be much better in matching your tighter radius neck profile vs flat pickups. They also make the 60s Jazz pair, but those do not have adjustable pole pieces. Sixties J™ Pair | DiMarzio

Here's my new build with the Relentless J set.
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Also, sweet new (to you) bass! Classy as heck!
Have you compared the relentless vs the model J?
Curious, I have never played the relentless but love the Model J.
 
Have you compared the relentless vs the model J?
Curious, I have never played the relentless but love the Model J.

Yes and no. I also have two of the Charvel San Dimas P basses, and they come with Dimarzio Model P and Model J pickups in them. Those basses also have a (cheap) preamp and 3 band EQ, whereas my Relentless J loaded bass is a traditional passive JJ setup. All three of these have roasted maple necks, with Jazz-spec nut widths.

It's not really an apples-apples comparison, but I'll share my thoughts/feelings anyway. Also, I just don't think I'm a fan of the preamp and grounding on these basses. Both are noisy, and oppressively so when not touching strings or grounded hardware. I have an Audere pre sitting here beside me that I'm going to drop into one and see how that changes things, which will inform my opion on what to do with the other as well. I'm planning to end up with one wearing rounds, the other flats, and tailor the pickups and preamps to each string type.

OK... with that background info out of the way, I THINK that even after accounting for the preamp, the Relentless J is the clearer, more balanced pickup vs he Model J. I won't comment about output levels between the active Charvels and the passive Relentless bass, but comparing the Relentless bass vs some Fender Japan and a MIM I have around, and I'll say that the Relentless pickups have a slightly stronger output than any of these stock Fenders, but they're not ridiculously hot. The Model J is also a great pickup, but I do think it's a little more focused/voiced to do a certain thing.

The Relentless set has really nice presence and clarity, with a bit of "air" and crispness, even when amp is EQ is set flat. You can roll that right out with the tone knob if you like, but I appreciate having it there naturally in the tonal spectrum vs trying to brighten up an inherently dull pickup with artificial/amp EQ. More and more, I'd rather have a full-spectrum signal up front and then cut what I don't want, vs getting a strongly-flavored tone at the instrument jack and then trying to heavy-handedly boost or cut EQ at pedals or amp to fit the room/song/situation. The Relentless set is not overly-voiced, imho. I think the Relentless Middle (P pickup) and Relentless Neck pickups really sound like Billy, but the J set is different. I mean.... he's not known for playing a J. I don't feel that there's a strong tonal relationship between the P set and the J set of pickups at all. I think the J set just makes for a really fantastic, full-spectrum Jazz with great output that looks hekkin awesome. It could easily be advertised as that on its own without Billy's name. I don't mean that as a diss. I know Billy and love him, and completely understand that the marketing with his name is helping sales. I'm just saying these pickups are good enough that they can stand on their own without a celeb endorsement, imho.

My experience with the Model J pickup (please realize, I am playing this with a model P in the neck, not a JJ setup) in the Charvels is also positive. I like it as a rock pickup. Very punchy in the mid and upper-mid range. Controlled in the lows but not woofy or sloppy. I won't say it's AS tight and defined in the lowest lows as the Relentless J, but it DOES have more resonance/output down there. It's not such a big difference that a smol twist of the bass EQ at our amps won't make it disappear, but it's there. Ah... that's a point I should have made in the previous paragraph. The Relentless J might ALMOST seem thin in the lows at first listen, but I think that's because we are used to so many pickups being heavily/artificially boosted there. The Relentless set, to me, is ALL ABOUT clarity and balance at the pickups, then adjust to taste downstream. OK, back to Model J. Plenty of lows and low-mids right there, and almost a pre-dialed in punch in the Charvel suit, though I wonder if some of that exaggeration is coming from the preamp. It makes for a great rock bass pickup, and it has a brightness that really makes pick-playing stand out as well, but it's got a different feeling top end than the Relentless. It almost feels a little.... artificial isn't a good work, but maybe "processed" on the upper end. While the Relentless upper end simply sounds like what your brain might imagine the actual string movement sounds like... the Model J sounds like what I think it'd sound like after running through some EQ to highlight the upper end... which could totally just be the preamp coloring this opinion. Anywho, hi-cut (what would be tone roll-off on a passive bass) can get you into warmer sounds that are good for smoother clean playing, but again... I only have the Model J bridge and not the J neck pickup to go with it, so I can't speak to the full J experience. I will say that I don't think this humbucking J design quite gives me that idyllic J snap and growl/burp-ish kinda stuff when you're down attacking at the bridge.

Oof. Hope you like this book. :laugh:

With my experience so far, I definitely wouldn't yank out a set of Model Js to put in a Relentless set... but I would absolutely yank some stock stuff out of an MIM Fender or even some MIA and drop some Relentless Js in there.

Charvel needs to do an updated San Dimas line with the Relentless pickups. My ONLY BEEF with ALL the Relentless stuff is that they are NICKEL, and not chrome. Really hard to match hardware to them, as most good bridges (Hipshot, Babicz, etc) have more chrome options than nickel. Tuners, knobs, strap buttons, etc... Chrome options outnumber nickel like 10 to 1 or worse. I also simply prefer the bluish of chrome to the yellowish of nickel.
 
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None of my Jazz basses have raised Pole Pieces, and it's never been an issue for me.
Someone else will have some recommendations for that, but I'd try the Pure Vintage '74.
My Flea Roadworn has the PV '64s. They're great - but difficult to find.
The PV '74 you can find for just over $100.
If you search some threads here, the '74s get a lot of praise as well.
I've been wanting to try them, but just haven't gotten around to it...
Wouldn't a Road Worn jazz come with PV'64 pu's?
 
I have a 2013 RW J-bass. I tried a few different pickup sets in it, basically all the ones I had in my parts stash:

Duncan Antiquity II's
Bartolini 9S
Lindy Fralins (stock set)
Fender Custom Shop 60's

I liked the Custom Shop 60's set the best and they have been in the bass for quite a while. They sound to my ears the most like the old ones, with healthy output and good string-to-string balance.
 
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Yes and no. I also have two of the Charvel San Dimas P basses, and they come with Dimarzio Model P and Model J pickups in them. Those basses also have a (cheap) preamp and 3 band EQ, whereas my Relentless J loaded bass is a traditional passive JJ setup. All three of these have roasted maple necks, with Jazz-spec nut widths.

It's not really an apples-apples comparison, but I'll share my thoughts/feelings anyway. Also, I just don't think I'm a fan of the preamp and grounding on these basses. Both are noisy, and oppressively so when not touching strings or grounded hardware. I have an Audere pre sitting here beside me that I'm going to drop into one and see how that changes things, which will inform my opion on what to do with the other as well. I'm planning to end up with one wearing rounds, the other flats, and tailor the pickups and preamps to each string type.

OK... with that background info out of the way, I THINK that even after accounting for the preamp, the Relentless J is the clearer, more balanced pickup vs he Model J. I won't comment about output levels between the active Charvels and the passive Relentless bass, but comparing the Relentless bass vs some Fender Japan and a MIM I have around, and I'll say that the Relentless pickups have a slightly stronger output than any of these stock Fenders, but they're not ridiculously hot. The Model J is also a great pickup, but I do think it's a little more focused/voiced to do a certain thing.

The Relentless set has really nice presence and clarity, with a bit of "air" and crispness, even when amp is EQ is set flat. You can roll that right out with the tone knob if you like, but I appreciate having it there naturally in the tonal spectrum vs trying to brighten up an inherently dull pickup with artificial/amp EQ. More and more, I'd rather have a full-spectrum signal up front and then cut what I don't want, vs getting a strongly-flavored tone at the instrument jack and then trying to heavy-handedly boost or cut EQ at pedals or amp to fit the room/song/situation. The Relentless set is not overly-voiced, imho. I think the Relentless Middle (P pickup) and Relentless Neck pickups really sound like Billy, but the J set is different. I mean.... he's not known for playing a J. I don't feel that there's a strong tonal relationship between the P set and the J set of pickups at all. I think the J set just makes for a really fantastic, full-spectrum Jazz with great output that looks hekkin awesome. It could easily be advertised as that on its own without Billy's name. I don't mean that as a diss. I know Billy and love him, and completely understand that the marketing with his name is helping sales. I'm just saying these pickups are good enough that they can stand on their own without a celeb endorsement, imho.

My experience with the Model J pickup (please realize, I am playing this with a model P in the neck, not a JJ setup) in the Charvels is also positive. I like it as a rock pickup. Very punchy in the mid and upper-mid range. Controlled in the lows but not woofy or sloppy. I won't say it's AS tight and defined in the lowest lows as the Relentless J, but it DOES have more resonance/output down there. It's not such a big difference that a smol twist of the bass EQ at our amps won't make it disappear, but it's there. Ah... that's a point I should have made in the previous paragraph. The Relentless J might ALMOST seem thin in the lows at first listen, but I think that's because we are used to so many pickups being heavily/artificially boosted there. The Relentless set, to me, is ALL ABOUT clarity and balance at the pickups, then adjust to taste downstream. OK, back to Model J. Plenty of lows and low-mids right there, and almost a pre-dialed in punch in the Charvel suit, though I wonder if some of that exaggeration is coming from the preamp. It makes for a great rock bass pickup, and it has a brightness that really makes pick-playing stand out as well, but it's got a different feeling top end than the Relentless. It almost feels a little.... artificial isn't a good work, but maybe "processed" on the upper end. While the Relentless upper end simply sounds like what your brain might imagine the actual string movement sounds like... the Model J sounds like what I think it'd sound like after running through some EQ to highlight the upper end... which could totally just be the preamp coloring this opinion. Anywho, hi-cut (what would be tone roll-off on a passive bass) can get you into warmer sounds that are good for smoother clean playing, but again... I only have the Model J bridge and not the J neck pickup to go with it, so I can't speak to the full J experience. I will say that I don't think this humbucking J design quite gives me that idyllic J snap and growl/burp-ish kinda stuff when you're down attacking at the bridge.

Oof. Hope you like this book. :laugh:

With my experience so far, I definitely wouldn't yank out a set of Model Js to put in a Relentless set... but I would absolutely yank some stock stuff out of an MIM Fender or even some MIA and drop some Relentless Js in there.

Charvel needs to do an updated San Dimas line with the Relentless pickups. My ONLY BEEF with ALL the Relentless stuff is that they are NICKEL, and not chrome. Really hard to match hardware to them, as most good bridges (Hipshot, Babicz, etc) have more chrome options than nickel. Tuners, knobs, strap buttons, etc... Chrome options outnumber nickel like 10 to 1 or worse. I also simply prefer the bluish of chrome to the yellowish of nickel.
Actually I totally appreciate you giving all that detail.

I get a little more clarity with the Model J buy going with 500k pots. (They are the only pass I like passive).

I like how those Charvels play, but the preamp 🙄….Yeah pass lol

I didn’t mind it at first but then I was like, no it’s bad lol. The one I kept the 5 I put in off the menu EMGs with the BTQ preamp and I’m really digging it.
 
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