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NBD aka I'm headed to Lowe's to get new lighting.

Clark W

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So I left the house to go to Lowe's today, needed some new lighting fixtures for the house, but on my way I stopped by the local mom and pop guitar shop just to see if they had anything interesting. They are more of a guitar shop, with lots of guitars, and not a lot of bass stuff, but they have been doing better lately on the bass side of the coin.

First thing I saw was this old Mesa cab ($300)
It made my back ache just looking at it.
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Then came the basses...

Music Man 5 string
Late 90s, early 2000s American Standard Jazz 4 string
Player Series 5 string
And a 1997 MIM 5 string.
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There was also a Carvin and a few others but those in the pics were what caught my eye.

Some of you might know if you follow the Praise and Worship groups that I was in the market for a 5 string for church. I was looking at a Schecter J5 and Sadowsky MetroExpress. I wanted a passive Jazz style fiver, but nothing Fender currently has to offer really did anything for me, not for the price anyway. And for church use only, I really couldn't justify the Schecter or Sadowsky prices either.

Then last Sunday I took my Precision with it's Hipshot drop tuner set to E/D and managed just fine with it. But I really wanted a Jazz bass, I already have 3, all fours, and no drop tuner. So it was either get a drop tuner and install it on one of my Jazz basses, buy a fiver, or keep taking the Precision. At this point I had decided just to keep using the Precision. Although if a passive Jazz style fiver were to happen to pop up at the right price, I might bite. then it happened when I least expected it.

So the Player Series they had, brand new, priced at 950, they offered it to me for 750, I almost bit. But the 1997 MIM Jazz Fiver was priced at 625 out the door. So I played both through one of the new Boss bass combos. The Player Series while a good bass, the neck felt chunkier compared to the 1997. Of course Paul Ferro fretboard on the new Player series as well. Not sure about the 1997 if it's rosewood or not but it sure looked better than the Ferro board on the Player Series. And the 1997 neck just felt better in my hands as well. And the 1997 just felt right for a fiver. I got it for 500 out the door with a well worn Fender gig bag thrown in as well. Not much difference in sound between the two basses either. For some reason I played Judas Priest's Breaking the Law on both basses, but I've never played that song in my life although of the few songs by JP that I like that is one of them.

Now the control knobs I assume are not stock. And it has Gotoh tuners as well. Whoever put them in cracked the headstock at the screw point on the B string tuner. Not bad, it definitely has been there awhile as it has it's share of dirt and not fresh looking at all. I might inject it with titebond and clamp it, or I might leave it alone. Just need to keep an eye on it I guess. If need be, it's a simple repair I can do myself.

Almost forgot, yes I made it by Lowe's and got the new light fixtures for the house while I was out.

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Fender five-in-a-row headstocks almost always have the B crack. I’ve had a few and none with any issues.
That's good to know. I didn't know it was a common thing. Not that it matters as long as it doesn't become a problem. And it's nothing an overnight clamping with some Titebond won't fix. I bought it to play and it does that very well enough that I'm glad I held off on buying a more expensive fiver over the last two weeks. They say patience is a virtue, and I'm not know to have a lot of it. But I think it definitely paid off this time.
 
Just realized our local music store is on the way to our Lowes...yikes...

Nice find, nice negotiating! Will sound great in your church band!


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Yeah those trips to Lowe's can get expensive 🤣

Never thought about getting a bass for church before now. Only been doing the church gig thing for 3 weeks, tomorrow is my 4th Sunday at it.

And I'll take it to my other band's rehearsals just to see how it sounds in the mix for rock music but rarely need anything, if ever, below an E string with them.
 
Update #1

2nd impressions, Sunday, Aug 18th, 7:28 a.m.

So I've been up since 5:30 running through today's setlist and about to get in the shower before loading up and heading out.

I've only owned one other fiver, a Peavey, that I enjoyed but didn't use often enough to justify keeping. But then I wasn't doing church gigs either.

First thing I noticed that I didn't yestersday, Schaller S locks installed on the bass, which is funny because I have them installed on everything but my acoustic bass and guitar. So it was grab a strap and time to really get acquainted with the bass.

It sounds like a Jazz. No scratchiness or quirks in the controls. Everything definitely works like it should which I knew yesterday, but really needed to run through it using my gear.

Weight? Don't have a clue, but no neck dive, and a little heavy, but balanced. It is a fiver so that's to be expected.

The neck, whoa, as good as any of my four stringers, just as comfortable and better fret work than any of them including my Am Performer. Now it could be because the bass is 27 years old and obviously played on a regular basis at some point in it's life. Kinda of like a well broken in pair of shoes or blue jeans, just very comfortable and at home slung around my neck.

Would I want to gig it for 3 or 4 hours? Probably not cause it does feel a little on the heavy side. But for church, we're talking 30 mins of full band practice, and 30 mins playing live every Sunday morning. And for that task it will suit me well I believe.

Anyway, gotta go, will have more to report after this morning's service.

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Update #2

So rehearsal went well. And today I changed up everything.

The new bass of course.
Left the Mesa D800+, GK Neo IV 212, and the wirless at home.

Instead I brought a GK Goldline 500 and one of my Traveler 151P and 102P cabs from my profile pic. And ran the bass on a chord.

Wow, what a difference. And I love my Mesa D-800+, GK Neo IV, wireless setup. I'm sure the 5 string is making a huge difference just cause of the beefier gauge of the strings. But everyone on stage and the sound guys have been raving about how good it all sounds. Mission accomplished, church rig is complete.

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Congrats on your new bass. The wear on it looks like honest use.
That strap you paired it with looks brilliant! 👍
Thank you! Like a comfortable old pair of blue jeans. Well taken care of but put to good use as well. It's a great playing, great sounding bass. And one I'm not scared to put a scratch on either. Or some good old honest wear on myself.

The strap was borrowed from my Sunburst Precision. It pairs pretty well with it too. Guess I'll be getting a second one. I have two of them in silver and black as well.
 
Score! I been waiting to find a deal on a bass like that myself. I definitely woulda snagged it. Congrats!
Thanks!

Well I only had to wait for a couple of weeks since starting the church gig and needing a fiver. I've talked to my sales rep at Sweetwater twice, and been to my local GC twice as well, no luck unless I want to spend a grand or more on a new one for what I want, not to say they don't have fivers for cheaper, just nothing I wanted in stock below a grand that I cared for. Then yesterday I went to the local mom and pop shop a few miles from my home just to say hi and see what they had gotten in lately. Wasn't even thinking about a fiver when I walked in the door. I was actually more curious about what they were doing in used amps. They have a Peavey Firebass 700 that had peaked my interest a couple of months back, it's still there.
 
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I have one of those! Mine is a 1997 MIM as well. They came with 5 inline Gotoh style small tuners. I think mine might have a Fender logo on the back, but I can't remember.

The original knobs were Strat style, and the pickguard was white. I got standard jazz knobs because I like them, and the tort guard... well, sunburst and tort, kinda like pb & j I guess.

The stock bridge is a little nicer than normal with slots on the edges to improve lateral stability.

I think the fretboards are pau ferro and the bodies are alder.

The pickups on mine are a little on the low output side, but they sound great. The bridge pickup nails the growly, burpy Jaco tone, and the neck pickup sounds very P bass-like. I use that tone on this bass a lot more than I thought I would. Both pickups dimed gets the classic scooped slap tone as well.

The B string on mine is decent, not great, but it is totally usable. The neck is amazing though. It's flat and thin front to back, and the width is super easy to play. I have dead nickel rounds on mine, and I love the tone and playability.

These MIM Jazz V basses don't get a lot of love here on TB, but mine is a keeper for me. When I got it, I was playing an active 5 String Jazz style bass, but I really prefer this old passive one. I bought it on a whim as a backup, but it has quickly become one of my favorites.

Congratulations on your new bass and the great deal you got! It looks great, and I'm sure it rocks through that rig.
 
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I have one of those! Mine is a 1997 MIM as well. They came with 5 inline Gotoh style small tuners. I think mine might have a Fender logo on the back, but I can't remember.

The original knobs were Strat style, and the pickguard was white. I got standard jazz knobs because I like them, and the tort guard... well, sunburst and tort, kinda like pb & j I guess.

The stock bridge is a little nicer than normal with slots on the edges to improve lateral stability.

I think the fretboards are pau ferro and the bodies are alder.

The pickups on mine are a little on the low output side, but they sound great. The bridge pickup nails the growly, burpy Jaco tone, and the neck pickup sounds very P bass-like. I use that tone on this bass a lot more than I thought I would. Both pickups dimed gets the classic scooped slap tone as well.

The B string on mine is decent, not great, but it is totally usable. The neck is amazing though. It's flat and thin front to back, and the width is super easy to play. I have dead nickel rounds on mine, and I love the tone and playability.

These MIM Jazz V basses don't get a lot of love here on TB, but mine is a keeper for me. When I got it, I was playing an active 5 String Jazz style bass, but I really prefer this old passive one. I bought it on a whim as a backup, but it has quickly become one of my favorites.

Congratulations on your new bass and the great deal you got! It looks great, and I'm sure it rocks through that rig.
Didn't know it came stock with the Gotohs. Figured that was someone's upgrade.

The knobs, knurled speed type, are my favs and I do that to almost all of my basses anway.

The B string, yeah, playing it open, it could use a little more tension. So far, after 4 Sundays, I haven't had to go any lower than a D. But what I really noticed today was the change ups you can make on it because of being able to hit an E on the fifth fret, F on the 6th, F# on the 7th fret of the B string, etc.... It gives you options even when you aren't going below an E that you just don't have on a 4 string. Say you're playing a G on the E string and then need to play an F then E, you can not only walk those notes down on the E string, but you can start on the G note on the E, and then jump up to the F on the B string and walk down to the E meaning you're not having to play an open string. It does make a difference in tone and feel to me being able to do that. Now that was just a simple example and of course one could get way more complex than that. It's nice to have options :)

So the fretboard is Ferro? Looking at yours and mine, they look better than the Ferro that I'm seeing on new basses. A lot more grain striping in yours and mine than what I'm seeing in newer Ferro boards, darker too. But that darkness could be age maybe? Some of these newer Ferro boards look almost red.
 
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