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NBD! Brice Defiant 53437 Blue Quilt

I've been going back and forth for a while now on either getting a 5 string Dingwall D-Bird to go with my Combustion or getting a Brice Defiant to have a less expensive option as the group I've been jamming with has talked about doing some gigs and I'd be devastated if my Combustion grew legs. My main issues were the cost and wait time for a D-Bird and the finishes on the Defiants. Well, I saw a few weeks ago that Rondo had put up some new Defiants with a quilt finish and pretty much fell in love with the blue one on sight. I talked myself into ordering one and took delivery this Thursday.

Specs are here: Brice Defiant 53437 EB Blue Quilt - RondoMusic.com

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I noodled around a bit and found that the stock strings were, as I had expected, pretty thin sounding. I had a set of Circle K's that I hadn't used yet so I strung it up with those and the sound is much better. I haven't had a chance to play at volume yet but I have a church gig and jamming with my group tomorrow so I'll post an update afterward.

The Pros So Far: The finish is great, the whole bass has a satin-y finish to it so the neck is nice and fast. The quilt looks great, I have no idea if it's a veneer or a photo though. Acoustically the bass sounds good, which is what I was hoping for as I am planning on switching out the electronics fairly soon anyway. The neck and body seem well made, no real flaws that I can see. It appears to have been paint shielded, which is more than I expected. There's a fair bit of extra room in the control cavity so I don't have any reservations about adding a preamp and possibly another pot or switch or two. I'm happy with the profile of the nut as well, that's my big complaint on my ESP/LTD fanned-fret bass, the nut is so high it pokes my finger if I'm on the first fret. After two days the tuners appear to be holding tune, so they seem to be good. The fretwork seems excellent, no rough edges or high frets that I can tell. The bass doesn't neck dive, it wants to sit level on a strap.

The Cons So Far: The pickups are not the greatest sounding. Either pickup soloed produces a usable if uninspiring sound, but with the switch in the middle position which I'm assuming is both pickups on, the sound gets very thin and quiet. Possibly a phase issue but I'm probably just going to not use it rather than mess with it. As mentioned I'm planning on replacing the guts anyway. The nut also seems pretty rough on the treble side. I don't really notice it when I'm playing but I may have a new one cut at some point. The bass is a pound or two heavier than my Combustion, too, but I wasn't expecting it to be that light.

I'm pretty happy with this purchase, I like the bass and needed a backup for my Combustion as well as an option for playing seedier places. I've modded my Combustion to a point that I'm happy with so it'll be nice to have a project with this bass as well.
 
Post gig report, as promised. I got compliments on the looks and sound from the worship leader, which was cool. I put in about five hours on the bass between rehearsal, performing, and later jamming and I'm pretty happy with how it plays. Oddly, I missed not having the dots on the fretboard on a couple of songs; I wasn't aware that I was even looking for them but it was easy enough to adjust to looking at the side dots. I'm still thinking new electronics but I'm not in a huge hurry to do it; I think shaving some weight off with lightweight tuners will probably be my first priority.
 
This is just the inspiration I needed. I have been looking heavily at this exact bass (same color and everything) for use during worship at church. Was trying to get myself set on ordering it this Friday when I get paid, and after seeing your post, I have decided to pull the trigger. I also had planned on an electronics upgrade, as well as pickups eventually. Now I am excited. A bit nervous about the sound though. I am currently on a (roughly 2002 ish model) Carvin XB75 with their 18v electronics. I don't expect that level of quality out of this bass as it comes in the box, just something that is acceptable until the electronics upgrade.
 
This is just the inspiration I needed. I have been looking heavily at this exact bass (same color and everything) for use during worship at church. Was trying to get myself set on ordering it this Friday when I get paid, and after seeing your post, I have decided to pull the trigger. I also had planned on an electronics upgrade, as well as pickups eventually. Now I am excited. A bit nervous about the sound though. I am currently on a (roughly 2002 ish model) Carvin XB75 with their 18v electronics. I don't expect that level of quality out of this bass as it comes in the box, just something that is acceptable until the electronics upgrade.

i think you wil be pleasantly surprised. Also check out this post [URL="https://www.talkbass.com/threads/nbd-brice-defiant-6-string-multi-scale.1218802/page-2#post-18890189"]NBD Brice Defiant 6 string Multi Scale[/URL] and others in the thread (if you haven't already):
 
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This is just the inspiration I needed. I have been looking heavily at this exact bass (same color and everything) for use during worship at church. Was trying to get myself set on ordering it this Friday when I get paid, and after seeing your post, I have decided to pull the trigger. I also had planned on an electronics upgrade, as well as pickups eventually. Now I am excited. A bit nervous about the sound though. I am currently on a (roughly 2002 ish model) Carvin XB75 with their 18v electronics. I don't expect that level of quality out of this bass as it comes in the box, just something that is acceptable until the electronics upgrade.

I'm going to second dabbler, I think you'll like it. I wouldn't be too concerned about the sound, it isn't bad or anything, just a little plain and on the thick side. I personally prefer a little more of a hi-fi sound. I've been going back and forth on what to do for pickups, they're an odd size, smaller than most. I'm thinking either a custom set of Nordstrand Zen Blades or else either Q-Tuners or Lace Alumitones and just chisel out what I need to. Anyway, enjoy it!
 
I'm going to second dabbler, I think you'll like it. I wouldn't be too concerned about the sound, it isn't bad or anything, just a little plain and on the thick side. I personally prefer a little more of a hi-fi sound. I've been going back and forth on what to do for pickups, they're an odd size, smaller than most. I'm thinking either a custom set of Nordstrand Zen Blades or else either Q-Tuners or Lace Alumitones and just chisel out what I need to. Anyway, enjoy it!

Awesome, I can't wait! I have been reading all of the threads I can find on it for a couple months off and on. And the overall consensus seems to be that for the price it is a fantastic bass. On the pickup topic, I did see the thread where the guy installed a set of EMG DC45s in his, but as you mentioned with the odd pickup sizing, he had to do some cutting to make them fit. But I believe (going off memory) those are blades as well so no worries about the sensing area lining up with the strings. And speaking of, I use Elixirs now, but I doubt they are long enough to fit this bass, so I need to research new strings too. I will chime back in when I get mine!
 
So I got mine yesterday! I have been playing with it and getting it set up after work as I have time, and so far I really like it! I have several photos that I will add later this week or weekend with my thoughts (don't have time to make a long detailed post right now). I thought I would try making my own custom case out of a rifle case (cheaper, and larger, more room for accessories, and it has wheels!) and it is not going as smoothly as I had hoped for (interior dimensions not quite as advertised). But that is a topic for another time. Here she is though!

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I've been going back and forth for a while now on either getting a 5 string Dingwall D-Bird to go with my Combustion or getting a Brice Defiant to have a less expensive option as the group I've been jamming with has talked about doing some gigs and I'd be devastated if my Combustion grew legs. My main issues were the cost and wait time for a D-Bird and the finishes on the Defiants. Well, I saw a few weeks ago that Rondo had put up some new Defiants with a quilt finish and pretty much fell in love with the blue one on sight. I talked myself into ordering one and took delivery this Thursday.

Specs are here: Brice Defiant 53437 EB Blue Quilt - RondoMusic.com

On with the pics!
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I noodled around a bit and found that the stock strings were, as I had expected, pretty thin sounding. I had a set of Circle K's that I hadn't used yet so I strung it up with those and the sound is much better. I haven't had a chance to play at volume yet but I have a church gig and jamming with my group tomorrow so I'll post an update afterward.

The Pros So Far: The finish is great, the whole bass has a satin-y finish to it so the neck is nice and fast. The quilt looks great, I have no idea if it's a veneer or a photo though. Acoustically the bass sounds good, which is what I was hoping for as I am planning on switching out the electronics fairly soon anyway. The neck and body seem well made, no real flaws that I can see. It appears to have been paint shielded, which is more than I expected. There's a fair bit of extra room in the control cavity so I don't have any reservations about adding a preamp and possibly another pot or switch or two. I'm happy with the profile of the nut as well, that's my big complaint on my ESP/LTD fanned-fret bass, the nut is so high it pokes my finger if I'm on the first fret. After two days the tuners appear to be holding tune, so they seem to be good. The fretwork seems excellent, no rough edges or high frets that I can tell. The bass doesn't neck dive, it wants to sit level on a strap.

The Cons So Far: The pickups are not the greatest sounding. Either pickup soloed produces a usable if uninspiring sound, but with the switch in the middle position which I'm assuming is both pickups on, the sound gets very thin and quiet. Possibly a phase issue but I'm probably just going to not use it rather than mess with it. As mentioned I'm planning on replacing the guts anyway. The nut also seems pretty rough on the treble side. I don't really notice it when I'm playing but I may have a new one cut at some point. The bass is a pound or two heavier than my Combustion, too, but I wasn't expecting it to be that light.

I'm pretty happy with this purchase, I like the bass and needed a backup for my Combustion as well as an option for playing seedier places. I've modded my Combustion to a point that I'm happy with so it'll be nice to have a project with this bass as well.
The only question is...How come they're giving these away for such a crazy low price?

By the way, have you tried putting a set of good strings on it?
 
The only question is...How come they're giving these away for such a crazy low price?7

Rondo clearly is not being greedy, and passing the value of Korean manufacturing on to its customers.

I agree that the pups aren't inspiring as delivered. But I am a SC kinda guy, most of my main players are J's. But after rewiring for VVT with dual switchpots that allow me to use them as delivered, or in parallel mode, or inner or outer coils, I'm happy with mine!
 
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What Pup's fit these? do Nordstand BH fit?
I would jump on one if I can slap some Nordstrand Zen blades on it.
The pups are pretty small, I can measure one when I have a chance. I think I read somewhere they're actually the same pickup used on Rondo's seven string guitars. I know Nordstrand can do custom sizes but you can see in the pics how little room there is to spare at the edge of the blades on these, I'm not sure how much room the Zen Blades need between the edge of the blade and the end of the pickup.
 
The only question is...How come they're giving these away for such a crazy low price?

By the way, have you tried putting a set of good strings on it?
Interesting! Do you have a wiring diagram by any chance?


Umm, sorta. See: NBD Brice Defiant 6 string Multi Scale

In the diagram referenced in that post, you can see that you only need half of the switch on the pots to do 1 pup. So I wired the other side for the other pup so every action affects both pups.

Oh and pics or it didn't happen:

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I've been going back and forth for a while now on either getting a 5 string Dingwall D-Bird to go with my Combustion or getting a Brice Defiant to have a less expensive option as the group I've been jamming with has talked about doing some gigs and I'd be devastated if my Combustion grew legs. My main issues were the cost and wait time for a D-Bird and the finishes on the Defiants. Well, I saw a few weeks ago that Rondo had put up some new Defiants with a quilt finish and pretty much fell in love with the blue one on sight. I talked myself into ordering one and took delivery this Thursday.

Specs are here: Brice Defiant 53437 EB Blue Quilt - RondoMusic.com

On with the pics!
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I noodled around a bit and found that the stock strings were, as I had expected, pretty thin sounding. I had a set of Circle K's that I hadn't used yet so I strung it up with those and the sound is much better. I haven't had a chance to play at volume yet but I have a church gig and jamming with my group tomorrow so I'll post an update afterward.

The Pros So Far: The finish is great, the whole bass has a satin-y finish to it so the neck is nice and fast. The quilt looks great, I have no idea if it's a veneer or a photo though. Acoustically the bass sounds good, which is what I was hoping for as I am planning on switching out the electronics fairly soon anyway. The neck and body seem well made, no real flaws that I can see. It appears to have been paint shielded, which is more than I expected. There's a fair bit of extra room in the control cavity so I don't have any reservations about adding a preamp and possibly another pot or switch or two. I'm happy with the profile of the nut as well, that's my big complaint on my ESP/LTD fanned-fret bass, the nut is so high it pokes my finger if I'm on the first fret. After two days the tuners appear to be holding tune, so they seem to be good. The fretwork seems excellent, no rough edges or high frets that I can tell. The bass doesn't neck dive, it wants to sit level on a strap.

The Cons So Far: The pickups are not the greatest sounding. Either pickup soloed produces a usable if uninspiring sound, but with the switch in the middle position which I'm assuming is both pickups on, the sound gets very thin and quiet. Possibly a phase issue but I'm probably just going to not use it rather than mess with it. As mentioned I'm planning on replacing the guts anyway. The nut also seems pretty rough on the treble side. I don't really notice it when I'm playing but I may have a new one cut at some point. The bass is a pound or two heavier than my Combustion, too, but I wasn't expecting it to be that light.

I'm pretty happy with this purchase, I like the bass and needed a backup for my Combustion as well as an option for playing seedier places. I've modded my Combustion to a point that I'm happy with so it'll be nice to have a project with this bass as well.
I ordered one of these back in April 2018 and ultimately returned it for a refund. I know it sounds silly to say, but if it had been this finish instead of the bubinga top I got, I probably would have kept it and swapped pickups.

Brice Defiant 53437 RN Nat Bubinga - RondoMusic.com

Congrats!
 
Turns out that Rondo will be offering this exact bass again in the spring of 2020! I plan on picking one up.

Planning on replacing the pickups. I think I'll wire it with full tone on both pickups and each knob will be volume per pickup. Maybe switch can be a coil tap? We'll see.