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NBD: Ibanez PCBE12MH Acoustic Bass

Dominic D

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Howdy y'all! I've got a new toy that I'm really happy to talk about. It's the Ibanez PCBE12MH acoustic bass guitar. It's a new bass so there's very little information about it.

A little backstory: In an effort to make more money during the week, my brother and I recently put together an acoustic duo. I've been playing an Peavey Foundation as I didn't have an acoustic. My dream bass is a Warwick Alien 5 string, but it's just way out of my price range. I had been eyeing an Ibanez AEB5E that has been sitting at my local pawn shop for a long time now. I was content with the way it played, but really dislike solid black glossy finished on acoustic guitars. As soon as I saw this new Open Pore series, I immediately ordered one on Amazon.

Now for the actual review. Let me just say from the beginning, this is an incredible bass for the price of $250. It has far exceeded my expectations. The setup was great out of the box. It's got nice low action. It might be too low for heavy handed players, but Ibanez included an extra unsanded saddle. I only had one minor issue with the fit and finish. The bottom of the saddle wasn't smooth enough to get consistent volume across the strings. It only took a minute of sanding to fix that. The entire bass is visually perfect. Usually basses this cheap have tiny dents or scratches, but this one looks great. I was impressed to find these come with coated D'Addario strings. I'm not a big fan of roundwounds on acoustic basses, but these sound good. I've got a set of La Bella Copper White Tape Wound in the mail. As expected, the bass isn't very loud acoustically, but I bought it to be used plugged in. It's loud enough to be heard against an acoustic guitar in a quiet practice environment. While not expecting much, I'm pleased with how the bass sounds plugged in. The 2-band EQ is limited, but effective. I plan on EQing with the amp so it'll pretty always stay flat. One issue I do have with the preamp is that the tuner only works when the cable is plugged in. That's a bit short sighted on Ibanez's part.

I've recorded a quick demo to give some kind of idea of how the bass sounds. I recorded the bass direct and also through an MXL condenser placed about 4 inches from the sound hole. I recorded both at same time so you're hearing the exact same take. I played in 3 different styles: finger, palm-muted thumb, and pick.

Here's the mic track:



Here's the direct track:


Here's the same direct track run through the Ampeg simulation in Amplitube:


Here's a crappy phone picture:

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Overall, I don't think you get a better acoustic bass for the price. I can confidently say this bass is miles ahead of the $400 Fender T-Bucket. It is by far the cheapest good electric acoustic bass you can get.
 
Howdy there in Vero Beach, domdec314!
I just bought one of these up here in Vancouver BC Canada. I too love the compact 'Grand Concert Guitar' body size and overall sweet tone and range for the price even when unplugged.
However my 'A' string volume is considerably lower when plugged in -even almost sounds dead- as I take a run up a line from the E string but the D and G strings are pretty equal to the E.
I pulled my saddle out to inspect both it and the piezo pickup strip. My saddle looks and tests flat against a straight edge so I then wondered about the pickup strip individual contact points. Then (keeping in mind that this bass only costs $270 in Canadian dollars from my local big box music store) I wondered about the pickup strip itself. It sure 'looks' cheap compared to an after market Fishman Quantum I installed recently. I don't know how to evaluate the relative volume coming out of the four individual piezo bumps so I just have to go by the overall volume when everything is assembled.

I did manage to tweak the relative string volume balance by running the output through a LR Bagg Para DI and playing around with the EQ but that shouldn't be necessary for what appears to be a pickup string volume problem, no?

Anyone else out there have one of these basses and noticed a similar drop in volume from string to string? I'm wondering if the A string is a common problem as I've seen mention of string volume inequality mentioned from other Ibanez acoustic bass models on other forums.

BTW my tuner work without being jacked-in!
 
Hi there,
I'm also in BC :thumbsup: I picked up one of these last summer. I also love the size and feel. It's my go to practice/travel bass. I have since put D'adarrio Black Nylon Tapewounds on it; they look great, the tone is awesome and I have never noticed any kind of string volume issue...I'm curious to see what others have to say as there certainly isn't much chatter about these basses online...
Cheers!
 
Took it into L&M here in Vancouver to have a get a second opinion from their tech. I'll report findings here. Definitely lower volume on A string. I suspect Quality Control on the piezo pickup strips being mounted is not high. I see on ebay that Chinese suppliers are selling generic bass piezo pickup strips for $30 a dozen so I suspect that Ibanez is not necessarily sourcing a #1 quality strip for these instruments. Also new instruments right off the production line can vary quite a lot with regards to the fitting and testing of the pickup and the built in preamp/tone controls. We'll see.
 
Howdy there in Vero Beach, domdec314!
I just bought one of these up here in Vancouver BC Canada. I too love the compact 'Grand Concert Guitar' body size and overall sweet tone and range for the price even when unplugged.
However my 'A' string volume is considerably lower when plugged in -even almost sounds dead- as I take a run up a line from the E string but the D and G strings are pretty equal to the E.
I pulled my saddle out to inspect both it and the piezo pickup strip. My saddle looks and tests flat against a straight edge so I then wondered about the pickup strip individual contact points. Then (keeping in mind that this bass only costs $270 in Canadian dollars from my local big box music store) I wondered about the pickup strip itself. It sure 'looks' cheap compared to an after market Fishman Quantum I installed recently. I don't know how to evaluate the relative volume coming out of the four individual piezo bumps so I just have to go by the overall volume when everything is assembled.

I did manage to tweak the relative string volume balance by running the output through a LR Bagg Para DI and playing around with the EQ but that shouldn't be necessary for what appears to be a pickup string volume problem, no?

Anyone else out there have one of these basses and noticed a similar drop in volume from string to string? I'm wondering if the A string is a common problem as I've seen mention of string volume inequality mentioned from other Ibanez acoustic bass models on other forums.

BTW my tuner work without being jacked-in!

Have you had any experience with the Fender T-Bucket Bass E? I'm looking to buy one of these bad boys for unplugged and casual practice. Is the A-String situation unique to your Ibanez? Would you still recommend it?
 
I suspect the problem with uneven volume is in the pickup. I bought one of the pcbs' and have volume problems with the G string. It is much louder than the other 3. I only have the problem when it is amplified. When played as strraight acoustic all the strings are even. I haven't done anything to check the pickup yet but will let y'all know if it makes a difference when I do. Other than that I really like the bass, sounds good and looks good too! I use it mostly in a small cafe' type setting as to accompany an acoustic guitar.
 
I suspect the problem with uneven volume is in the pickup. I bought one of the pcbs' and have volume problems with the G string. It is much louder than the other 3. I only have the problem when it is amplified.
You are probably correct. I have fixed this on several acoustic instruments with piezo bridge pickups and the process is:
Remove strings, then pull out the bridge saddle.
Find a pane of glass--it can be from a picture frame, but in a pinch you can use one of your home's windows. Glass is usually flatter than countertops, etc, but not a deal breaker.
Buy some of the black 3M or other brand wet/dry sandpaper. A sheet of 400 and 600 grit will be fine.
Tape the sandpaper to the glass, starting with 400 (320 if the saddle is very bad). Keep it wet with a squirt gun, spray bottle, hose, splashes from a cup, etc, while making long strokes with the bridge saddle held as straight and 90 degrees perpendicular as you can--remember, you are sanding the underside of the saddle, not the top where the strings sit. Flip it end to end for half the strokes, and try to keep the pressure even on each end.
Switch to the next finer grade (600) and repeat, then 1000 if you have some.
Shouldn't take more than 10-20 strokes on each grit.

Wash and dry.
Re-install, string it up.

When the bottom of the saddle is truly flat, with no odd molding artifacts interfering with contact against the piezo strip that sits between the saddle and bridge wood, relative string to string volume improves dramatically. An Ibanez AEB5 I did a few years ago really came alive! As soon as I looked at the underside of the saddle I knew it needed help, and other guitars and AEBs were nearly as bad.
On lower priced instruments, I think this is a step that they skip because skilled workers cost more money.

By sanding the underside of the saddle you'll be lowering the action (string height), so keep that in mind. Take off too much material and strings might start buzzing. On the other hand, many AEBS include a taller extra saddle as well as shims so you can eventually hit the sweet spot.

Hope this helps someone fix their AEB. I love these things, and miss the Breedlove I used to play. (It's bridge was perfect).
 
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Hi,

The A string of my Ibanez PCBE12MH was very weak, so I've made the saddle flat and now the A string is ok (G and D string as well) but the E string is a bit weaker now. I noticed the piezo is not so flat, especially under the E string. Any ideas how to repair it?
 
Hello all, Just bought one of these basses a couple weeks back and absolutely love it! I play in a bluegrass group and had been getting by on a Fender Jazz bass with tapewounds, but the sound didn't quite fit. This bass sounds so much better with acoustic instruments, even plugged in, it keeps a nice acoustic sound. I'm primarily a guitar player/ vocalist in a group of my own and play a martin d28. So I like quality, good playing instruments. For the money, I can't believe how good this bass plays and feels.
Now I will say.... I made some adjustments...

-Dry/ rough fretboard and bridge
fixed that by lightly sanding with 2000 grit, then 0000 steel wool to smooth it out, then oiled with lemon oil. easy fix and it was fun to do.. the wood was nice, just not finished well.. the bridge did have one rough spot that looked funny... it sanded out easily tho with 400 grit. While I was tidying things up, I went ahead and kinda did a slight roll on the fingerboard edges.. feels super comfy. I was happy to find the frets were finished pretty well, no jagged edges...

-Rough, ill fitting bridge pins
the bridge pins were a nightmare to remove, and had super rough mold lines. I sanded them down with 400 grit, and polished with 2000 grit then with some buffing compound on a little handheld buffing pad. also took and carved them down better to fit the holes easier, and cut a taper at the bottom. Eventually I wanna do ebony, but for now they're fine and look better and won't annoy your hand if u brush up against them

-Saddle
I want to eventually do tusq, but for now, I just made sure the saddle was totally flat on the bottom and lowered it just a hair. The action is super comfy now, and plugged in seems pretty balanced to me.

these little mods were simple, and kind fun to do. So no biggie. Tuners are just "ok" at best. They do slip some. I want to swap those out, but for $250... I didn't expect gotoh's or grovers...

for looks, I love this little thing. I've used it 3 times with the group I play bass for and have gotten tons of compliments on it for looks and sound. I bought a hard case for it. its for a slightly larger Ibanez acoustic, but not so big that it matters... gives plenty of room for cables and strap to be rolled up behind the neck. The one specifically for the bass was nearly $200.. I got this one for like $119 on sweetwater with 2 day shipping. I think the model I got was like AEB50c.

for $250, I don't think you could go wrong with this little guy
 
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