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"NBD" Ibanez SR500 Stain and Refinish (PICS)

Back in 2011 as a freshman in college I bought my first (and so far only) bass. Over the years it has developed some nicks and scratches but it got some especially deep gouges when I started to slap. The matte finish developed some shiny spots as well. Right around Christmas I decided enough was enough and soon as it got warmer I would refinish the bass myself (still in college, still just as poor). This is what the bass looked like at the outset.

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A quick search on ebay yields a couple of other SR500s with similarly dinged up finishes.

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My SR500 bass has treated me very well and is quite versatile. It is light and the neck is thin which I like. I've been able to get the action pretty low without too much fret buzz so all in all I've been very pleased. While I'd like a new bass I simply don't have the budget so fixing the finish, the only obvious weakness, seemed like the best course of action.

Dis-assembly was rather straightforward except a couple of wires needed to be cut and the wires to the input jack needed to be desoldered from the jack in order to remove it. The wires to the pickups needed to be cut because they were soldered to terminals with many other wires attached. At the pickups the wires actually went inside and could not be disconnected. Pictures and wire labels were invaluable for putting it all back together smoothly.

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I sanded the original finish off using 120 grit paper. By hand it took about two hours. I then prepped for stain using 220 grit paper followed by a vacuum and wipedown.

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I taped off recess where I didn't want any stain or polyurethane getting into.

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I did a couple of layers of "Red Sedona" stain using a staining pad.

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After a complete 6 hour dry I taped off some stripes and scored the lines using a razor blade to stain a simple design. Scoring with the razor was absolutely necessary to minimize bleed. When in doubt use a piece of test wood.

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Now comes the fun part. I used a polyurethane finish for ease of application, speed of dry, and durability of finish. I brushed on medium to medium light layers. let dry for 4-6 hours till there was no tack, then lightly sanded with 220 grit. This was repeated for 3 coats. I then started brushing on medium light to light coats, let dry for 4-5 hours and wetsanded with 400 grit. This was repeated for 3 more coats for 6 coats total. The final coat was not sanded. I'm trying to figure a way to do a final polish. Please comment if you have a suggestion. I also applied a couple of coats to the surface of the headstock. Pictured is after the 3rd coat and sanding.

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I let a final 10 hour dry before reassembly.

During reassembly I realized that the pickup wire which I had cut actually was two wires running coaxially. I still maintain that cutting this wire was the only way to remove the pickup from the body as one end went inside of the pickup (could not be pulled out) and the other end was soldered to a potentiometer terminal with 4-6 other wires soldered to it. To reconnect this pickup wire I stripped and soldered each separately, making use of electrical tape and shrinkwrap to keep the two insulated from one another.

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Final product:


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Up close you can certainly tell that the job isn't professional but as they say in the automotive industry it is certainly a "3 foot job". The tone didn't change at all and I'm very pleased with the result! I let the finish cure 48 hours before playing and I'll probably wait a week before slapping.

Shopping list:
8oz Minwax Fast Drying Polyurethane clear gloss
8oz Minwax Wood Finish Sedona Red stain
8oz Minwax Wood Finish Jacobean stain
3M 4 pack of 120 grit
3M 4 pack of 220 grit
3m 4 pack of 400 grit
Natural bristle brush

Total cost was less than $30 dollars and I've got enough material left over do another guitar.
Total labor time was probably about 6 hours but this spanned almost 3 days due to dry time between coats. Take your time with this sort of project, the result is much better when you're not rushed.
If I were to do the project again I would do more coats of poly with more sanding in between. I also would have taped off and scored the stripes more carefully and slower to get sharper stain lines. Finally I'm looking for some tips and advice on doing a final polish to the poly. Please let me know if you have any ideas!
 
007.JPG Buy Micro-Mesh 3 x 4 Soft Touch Sanding Pads at Woodcraft.com
use these micromesh pads to wetsand the finish, go threw the whole set of pads and by the time you get to the finest pas it will look like glass. just be carefull not to soak any exposed wood with water.
I have also used these with lemon oil to polish and smooth the fret/neck edges on my sr500 after a few passes with 400/600 grit to take the edge off the frets, I also put a satin finish on the clear on my neck with the 1500 grit pad.
I used them to polish this ebony fretless board with lemon oil, their is no finish the shine is just wood and its dry to the touch in the pic
 
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View attachment 599189 Buy Micro-Mesh 3 x 4 Soft Touch Sanding Pads at Woodcraft.com
use these micromesh pads to wetsand the finish, go threw the whole set of pads and by the time you get to the finest pas it will look like glass. just be carefull not to soak any exposed wood with water.
I have also used these with lemon oil to polish and smooth the fret/neck edges on my sr500 after a few passes with 400/600 grit to take the edge off the frets, I also put a satin finish on the clear on my neck with the 1500 grit pad.
I used them to polish this ebony fretless board with lemon oil, their is no finish the shine is just wood and its dry to the touch in the pic

Thanks a lot man! I'll be picking these up as soon as funds allow.

Nice. You just upped your model # to a 700. :)
Looks like the Cinammon SR700.
Good job and now play that thing with reckless abandon. It doesn't have the SR500 fragile finish anymore.
Very nice! This should be a sticky for all of the threads about the SR500 finish issues.

Yeah I didn't want to explicitly say it but too me the original finish was unacceptable. I love my SR500 otherwise but I remember the finish starting to show wear in the first year of use and it quickly deteriorated with aggressive playing. I decided against selling it because with that kind of finish damage I would have taken a pretty big hit and absolutely nothing else was wrong with the bass.
 
[QUOTE="yakmastermax, post: 17225547, member: 27547
Yeah I didn't want to explicitly say it but too me the original finish was unacceptable. I love my SR500 otherwise but I remember the finish starting to show wear in the first year of use and it quickly deteriorated with aggressive playing. I decided against selling it because with that kind of finish damage I would have taken a pretty big hit and absolutely nothing else was wrong with the bass.[/QUOTE]

ya I agree Ibanez needs to find a way to step up a the finish on these basses but that cheesy finish is a big part of why these basses are so affordable. and you got lucky with that nice smooth neck pocket, mine looked like it was carved out with a steak knife. I do a lot of painting so I was able to spray mine but I still need to hit it with the micro mesh pads.
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Looks great, been waiting for somebody to post a thread like this. These are fantastic basses with a crappy finish. I like Tru-oil or Watco Danish over mahogany. When I eventually get one one used, I'll just strip the crappy finish right off it and go straight to oil. I like Danish because it hardens the surface a little, and it's easily repairable over time. I haven't had much experience with tru-oil, except oiling a gun stock years ago.
 
[QUOTE="yakmastermax, post: 17225547, member: 27547
Yeah I didn't want to explicitly say it but too me the original finish was unacceptable. I love my SR500 otherwise but I remember the finish starting to show wear in the first year of use and it quickly deteriorated with aggressive playing. I decided against selling it because with that kind of finish damage I would have taken a pretty big hit and absolutely nothing else was wrong with the bass.

ya I agree Ibanez needs to find a way to step up a the finish on these basses but that cheesy finish is a big part of why these basses are so affordable. and you got lucky with that nice smooth neck pocket, mine looked like it was carved out with a steak knife. I do a lot of painting so I was able to spray mine but I still need to hit it with the micro mesh pads.View attachment 599367[/QUOTE]

That looks killer! Did you shoot it with a gun?
Care to explain your process?
 
thanks, it's nice to have a spray room in my house I sprayed that with ml cambel conversion varnish tinted with some black colortone dye from stewmack , you can see I also changed the pickups, I filled the longer routs with African iron wood, I also sanded down the surface around the neck pocket by about 1/4 of in inch to give me more clearance to pluck strings when slapping and sanded the neck level with the body again also taking the sharp lower edge of the fretboard out of my way. then I filled the grain with some ebony grain filler and sealed it with a first coat of clear and sanded it smooth before starting with the black tinted clear, once you start the tinted coats you have to keep the sanding to a minimum or you wind up with uneven color so I like to get it smooth before I start the color, after 2-3 coats to reach the desired color I did a few more coats of un tinted clear to finish it off. I still need to fix the spot wear I hit the jack hole with the dremel tool then ill polish it up to a nice high gloss but before I put the neck back on im going to remove the frets,fill the slots and coat it with epoxy
 
Great improvement! Now you've got a finish that may hold up. Nice accent with the 2-tone stain, too.

@gpx1200: great job there, too- I like the color/tint you ended up with.

Good info re: the micromesh pads.

I just don't know why anyone would buy any bass w/o a thick poly finish or pickguard if their fingernails are going to dig into it,
but resourceful players/modders can find a way to improve.
 
So, it was pretty easy to sand off the finish? I ask because I'm trading for an Ibanez SR600 in "walnut flat" and it looks like it's got the same thin lacquer finish from the wear above the neck pup. I'd rather let the swamp ash below show through.
 
Great improvement! Now you've got a finish that may hold up. Nice accent with the 2-tone stain, too.

@gpx1200: great job there, too- I like the color/tint you ended up with.

Good info re: the micromesh pads.

I just don't know why anyone would buy any bass w/o a thick poly finish or pickguard if their fingernails are going to dig into it,
but resourceful players/modders can find a way to improve.

Absolutely blows my mind. It frustrates me endlessly how many awesome basses simply don't have a finish that I can put my trust in. I was really considering a warwick rockbass, then got my hands on one. Aside from the neck being not quite right for me the finish was unacceptably thin. I could tell that it would rip off in a matter of months. No way was I going to spend hundreds of dollars only to have my investment plummet almost immediately. I also really like the SR1200 and the SR1400 but they've got weak finishes. My roomate has an SR1200 and while it hasn't chipped to bare wood like the SR500, the finish has noticeable burnishing/ hazing. How can COTTON freaking burnish a finish!? And the SR1200 is about a grand brand new...

Polyurethane and pick guards for me here on out.

So, it was pretty easy to sand off the finish? I ask because I'm trading for an Ibanez SR600 in "walnut flat" and it looks like it's got the same thin lacquer finish from the wear above the neck pup. I'd rather let the swamp ash below show through.

Sanding off the original SR500 finish was by far the easiest part of the job. The hard part will be getting a smooth finish as you apply polyurethane. To do it right will take many light thin coats (the more the better, if I ever do this again I'll aim for as many coats as I can bear, kind of like reps till failure in the gym) with sanding in between. Good luck!
 
Absolutely blows my mind. It frustrates me endlessly how many awesome basses simply don't have a finish that I can put my trust in. I was really considering a warwick rockbass, then got my hands on one. Aside from the neck being not quite right for me the finish was unacceptably thin. I could tell that it would rip off in a matter of months. No way was I going to spend hundreds of dollars only to have my investment plummet almost immediately. I also really like the SR1200 and the SR1400 but they've got weak finishes. My roomate has an SR1200 and while it hasn't chipped to bare wood like the SR500, the finish has noticeable burnishing/ hazing. How can COTTON freaking burnish a finish!? And the SR1200 is about a grand brand new...

Polyurethane and pick guards for me here on out.



Sanding off the original SR500 finish was by far the easiest part of the job. The hard part will be getting a smooth finish as you apply polyurethane. To do it right will take many light thin coats (the more the better, if I ever do this again I'll aim for as many coats as I can bear, kind of like reps till failure in the gym) with sanding in between. Good luck!
For me it works out great - assuming it's the same thin lacquer and that the ash wood underneath isn't stained brown. I'll sand it all off and refinish with tru-oil.
 
You did a great job! The finish on the current SR 500's is the only reason why I won't buy a new one. I hate the turd brown stain, it also is not durable, the Guitar Center exclusive ones aren't much better either.

I love the job you did. Especially with the two darker stripes down it. Ibanez should take note of what you did and offer the 500's with a quality finish like yours.
 
Just seeing this thread today. It was linked to a related thread and this has inspired me to refinish mine. Mine has indentations where the wear is i bought it new in 09 and have giged it for years. It's time for a make over.

Go for it, if you take your time and you're relatively handy, you won't regret it. I gained an immense amount of satisfaction after completing the project. I've unfortunately since sold my refinished SR500, but I still have the contact info of the guy I sold it to, and recently have been considering reaching out to him to enquire about possibly purchasing it back.

You did a great job! The finish on the current SR 500's is the only reason why I won't buy a new one. I hate the turd brown stain, it also is not durable, the Guitar Center exclusive ones aren't much better either.

I love the job you did. Especially with the two darker stripes down it. Ibanez should take note of what you did and offer the 500's with a quality finish like yours.

It is interesting that you note this, as of 2017 the SR1400E and SR1405E both come with hard gloss finishes. The Mojito Lime Green color is awesome in my opinion, and if they made the SR1405 in that color I would pick up in a snap.

I'm actually a bit miffed still by Ibanez finishes. I bought an SR1400E from 2014 and within just a few hours of playing it, the finish on the $1000 bass developed shiny gloss polishing sections and small nail marks. Unbelievable.

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I'm actually shopping for a 5 string right now, and I'm almost positive I want an SR1405. The problem is I absolutely refuse to spend $1000 on a 2014/2015 SR1405 in red or blue with the same weak finish as my SR1400, but I really detest the rather dull grey and white options of the current SR1405, even though they have the nice gloss finishes.

I sent out several emails yesterday to Denver area guitar repair shops and luthiers asking if they might consider doing a refinish job similar to the one I did to my SR500, but to a new bought blue SR1405, but so far they've all said they don't do that type of work. I guess I might consider doing it myself, but that seems like quite the plunge for a $1000 bass.

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I work for a guitar manufacturer. I can probably help you with a refinish job. I can sent it to our custom shop to get it done. If you live in Denver, I'm also only 2 hours from you and can show you some finish work our shop puts out.
 
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