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NBD: Wendler Electrocoustic (Custom Cedar-Bodied 35" Fretless)

Eilif

Grooving under the MDW runway.
Oct 1, 2001
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EDIT 6/6: The bass has arrived! Full Review below in Post #6

Years ago I discovered "Wendler Electrocoustic" instruments. Never played one, but the look and the samples were really appealing and I was very intrigued by his patented passive piezo and magnetic pickups electronics system. It'd been in the GAS section of my profile for at least 6 years until last year I acquired a used Carl Pedigo "Carlo" bass. It reinforced my love of 35" and made many of my other basses seen inadequate. I sold a Peavey T-45, Vintage MIJ guitar, 60's MIJ Viola bass, my 55-01 and my LTD "Vintage 214" Fretless P-bass to fund a Wendler electrocoustic with aproximately the same neck specs as the Carlo.

Here's the specs.
-Standard Cedar body
-Satin Sunburst finish
-4 string
-String Spacing between 18 and 19mm.
-1st fret 19mm
-12th fret 21mm
-Width at nut 1.75 inches
-Neck profile gentle C shape
-Fingerboard radius between 10" and 12".
-19 or 20 frets.
-35" scale.
-Elongated body rather than neck. Same upper horn length as regular 34" model
-Target length of 48"
-Standard black Y tuners
-Pau Ferro Fingerboard and headstock veneer
-Side dot markers

The elongated body required a new form and perhaps a bit of explaination. I didn't want a longer top horn and I don't see myself playing fretlesspast the 18th fret anyway. So, knowing that the very lightweight Wendler bodies are already a bit prone to neck dive I asked Dave to elongate the body rather than the neck to accommodate the 35" scale.

And today I got a pic of the body. Post paint, but before topcoat. Lovely!
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The bass should be on the way to me in less than 2 weeks and I'll post more pics if I get them and when it arrives.

Getting Excited.
 
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Picked it up at the Post Office this morning. It was scheduled to be delivered today but I'm leaving on vacation tomorow and I didn't want to chance not getting it before I go. Dang, I'm kind of in awe.

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Sound
At first it seemed a bit muted but then I looked over and realized I had the amp gain down a bit which is common when playing my Darkstar bass or my Quarter-pounder equipped P-bass. With the Gain rolled up it began to sing. Plenty of Mwah, though the sustain does seem to be less than you would get from a bass with a solid metal bridge bolted to the body and a harder body wood. It does have a single metal saddle, but the bridge and nut are wood and the tailpiece is floating.

I had a tendancy to favor the mag pickup for a stronger output, but rolling in some of the piezo and increasing the gain at the amp brings in alot of the "acoustic" charachter. Pushing a bit more towards the piezo brings in a bit of the string noise which can help you cut through a bit. Even sweeping all the way to the piezo doesn't result in the harshness that one would expect but it does have a lower output than other settings. I don't pretend to understand Dave's passive "MagPi" electronics which I think use the mag to buffer the piezo and has only Volume and Blend controls, but I like it.

It's wearing flatwound strings and it's character ranges from P-bass (not surprising since there's a split coil under the soapbar) to something more like an upright. It doesn't have the hollowness of an upright, but has alot of the resonance of tone (hard to describe). Not surprisingly, this is overall a deep and warm sounding bass.

Ergonomics
I had requested an elongated body for 3 reasons. First, to visually counter the longer neck on 35" scale. I was fine with as few as 18 frets, but Dave got me 20 frets which is the same as my P-bass and T-40 and more than I'll ever need on a fretless.

The second reason for the longer body was to avoid having to lengthen the upper horn. I'm just not a fan of long horns. Still, the end of the neck is about parallel with the 10th fret as opposed to the 11th fret on a P-bass.

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Despite being 35" scale, the reach feels the same as my P-bass. Putting both basses on the same strap I did an unscientific test placing my elbow next to my body and seeing where my hand meets the neck in an aproximate playing position. On both basses my pinky hits just about at the 3rd fret.

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The 35" scale and 1.75" nut is a very unusual combination for a 4 string bass (part of the impetus for going custom), but it and the neck dimensions are about the same as on my Carlo (custom 4-94 style instrument) and it fits me like a glove.

Here's a bit more of the neck side profile which also shows the neck dots which are at every fret but are larger at the frets that would have dots on a fretted instrument. Very clever.
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Balance/Weight
The third reason for a longer/larger body was to increase balance even if it added a few ounces of weight. On a narrow leather strap there is zero neck dive and the sub-6-pound weight feels like a feather. I put on my long, slippery seatbelt strap and I was able to get just a bit of dive by swaying back and forth a bit. Even with the slippy seatbelt though, it took only the smallest bit of pressure to steady it. I was genuinely surprised by this. I wasn't worried as my frettless playing position is high enough that my arm will rest across the body but I was fully expecting to receive an instrument that with notable neck dive. Thus, the nice balance was a pleasant surprise.

Plucking Position.
Of course, because of the overall length (also due to the upright style bridge/tailpiece) the butt of the bass extends further away from the player than most other basses. The resulting plucking position pushes more towards the neck which really suits the acoustic tone this bass is going for. Plucking near the bridge is easy, but those used to plucking at the bridge might find their hand instinctively settling over the pickup instead.

Appearance
I was a bit worried from the last set of pics (taken in full sunlight) from Dave that the sunburst would be a bit too yellow, but indoors, it's warm and subdued. The edge of the body looks opaque in pictures but in reality is a warm ruddy-wine-brown that you can see the cedar grain through even at the body edge.
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Depending on the lighting the dark color is a bit hard to capture. It's somewhere between these two.

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I was also not sure how the pickguard would look, being rather towards the butt of the instrument rather than the tradtional instrument position of more towards the neck. However in person and when wearing the bass it looks very natural. I felt the same about the larger magnetic pickup that Dave has recently switched to, but in person it also looks fine.

There is no control cavity in the bass. The controls, mag-pi circut and input jack are all mounted on top of the body and under the floating pickguard. except for a small bit for the wire, there is no route for the magnetic pup either. It floats above the body on two thin (possibly foam) spacers.

As seen above, the body is carved/arched front and back. Seems about 30-50% thinner than my P-bass depending on where you measure. This is clearly the source of the incredibly light weight.

Interestingly he used square head screws to hold the neck in place.
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Flaws?
I had to look very close to find anything imperfect, but I found three.

-Just next to the fingerboard, on the treble side of the neck heel there is a small dark flaw in the finish on the body. It looks to be the location where there had been a finish flaw that had caused two delays in the delivery of the bass. It's in the darkest part of the finish and is hard to see, but it is there.

-The neck heel is tight all the way around except for the gap near the bass side heel corner extending a bit along the neck heel. You probably couldn't fit the edge of a business card in there, but it seems right to note it.

-There are a couple rough spots on the edge of the pickguard where it was cut or routed. Really a niggling thing, but it is something that could have been sanded away

Delays/Service:
I don't really consider it a flaw, but I should note the delays. This bass took almost 2 months longer to deliver than was originally projected. There was an illness, and two issues in finishing that slowed things.

However, Dave was in touch all the way along and provided some in-progress pictures as well. I wasn't in any particular hurry so it doesn't bother me, but folks -especially those who have not ordered a custom instrument before- should probably be aware that it may take a bit of time for delivery.

Also, it came in a free gig bag which was a nice touch since Dave had lowered the cost a bit because I was willing to forego a case.

Conclusions

All in all I'm very happy with this bass. It's very handsome, has the tone I was looking for and ergonomics that are quite impressive. I really liked my LTD 214 Fretless P-bass (with EMG Geezer Buttler P/J pups) which I sold as part of getting the $ for this bass but I don't regret/miss it at all. This bass does everything that bass did (except for the soloed J tone which I didn't use anyways) and is way more comfortable with a much richer tone.

$1400 seems rather like a bargain for a custom bass that ticks off all the boxes and matches my prefferences so precisely. Dave was open to all my requests and though I haven't taken a calipers to every dimension yet he seems to have met all the specs I wanted.

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Dang, that thing begs to be played. I am more than intrigued just to see how it would feel on my lap. The cutaway is something I don't think I have seen on a bass guitar, no wonder it is so light. On a side note, those square screws are called Robertsons and they are far better than Phillips but since a Canadian invented them, you Yanks won't use them en masse. At least that is the urban legend all Canadians are told. They are definitely the superior screw choice though. ;) :D
 
Sorry about the delay in responding just got back from camping.
Really curious concave back - and the body looks thin... how thick is it? Sub 6lbs? That is super light for any bass.
Most of the body seems to be about one inch thick but it does vary a bit. The thickest point seems right around the neck where it seems to be around one and a third or 1.4".

It is ridiculously light. With the possible exception of a beatle bass I don't think I've ever played a lighter bass that wasn't a uke or "travel" bass of some sort.

Dang, that thing begs to be played. I am more than intrigued just to see how it would feel on my lap. The cutaway is something I don't think I have seen on a bass guitar, no wonder it is so light. On a side note, those square screws are called Robertsons and they are far better than Phillips but since a Canadian invented them, you Yanks won't use them en masse. At least that is the urban legend all Canadians are told. They are definitely the superior screw choice though. ;) :D

Thanks for the screw information, and unfortunatley the urban legend does sound entirely feasible. We yanks aren't always great at accepting good ideas that we didn't come up with.

I've seen some instruments routed from the rear to save weight but never anything like this. I think the floating pickups (no routing) are what allow it to be so thin. On the lap it does dive a bit more than on a strap, but not terribly so.
 
Sorry about the delay in responding just got back from camping.

Most of the body seems to be about one inch thick but it does vary a bit. The thickest point seems right around the neck where it seems to be around one and a third or 1.4".

It is ridiculously light. With the possible exception of a beatle bass I don't think I've ever played a lighter bass that wasn't a uke or "travel" bass of some sort.



Thanks for the screw information, and unfortunatley the urban legend does sound entirely feasible. We yanks aren't always great at accepting good ideas that we didn't come up with.

I've seen some instruments routed from the rear to save weight but never anything like this. I think the floating pickups (no routing) are what allow it to be so thin. On the lap it does dive a bit more than on a strap, but not terribly so.
Yeah, that's what attracted me to these, almost like archtops with no back / body other than the thicker ring of the body top.
 
Man, this bass is weird but I really like it. I love all the little ways that it's gone against standard convention with the routing, concave back, unusual scale length solution and even the fancy Canadian screws. You see a lot of interesting wood choice and out there body shapes in custom instruments, but this one really highlights how little most basses stray from the functionality of the basic Fender designs.
 
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One other thing to point out. I really like that though it's not very wide and quite thin and light, the length of the bass makes it still feel substantial. Probably stems from my like of classic basses but I've played some really small basses like Cort Curbow's and such and this one feels much better to me.

Yeah, that's what attracted me to these, almost like archtops with no back / body other than the thicker ring of the body top.
Definitely. I hear guys talking for ages about the wood and vibrations of the body being important to the sound of solid body, magnetic pickups instruments (something I'm still a bit skeptical about) . If that's true one wonders why builders aren't making thinner bodies (that will presumeably vibrate more freely) and incorporating more piezo pickups to actually pickup the body vibrations.

Man, this bass is weird but I really like it. I love all the little ways that it's gone against standard convention with the routing, concave back, unusual scale length solution and even the fancy Canadian screws. You see a lot of interesting wood choice and out there body shapes in custom instruments, but this one really highlights how little most basses stray from the functionality of the basic Fender designs.

My thoughts exactly. Nothing on the bass is particularly radical (except possibly the MagPi system, thogh I don't know enough about electronics to comment) but it feels like he looked at alot of aspects of instrument building and said "it wouldn't be hard to do _______ better".

The bass feels innovative and well designed, yet not "out there", if that makes any sense.
 
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Though it's not my own cup 'o tea, still it's very impressive what you and the builder have accomplished.

I would be curious to try a more mainstream model of his, with frets and regular 34" scale, but with the body dished out like yours, possibly humbucking J-ish electronics and pickup positioning, and a regular bridge something like a BadAss 2.

Your neck width at the nut seems to be close to what I would like.

Is that a bit wider than a stock P ?

The weight and balance is what I would want to maintain, as I'm getting older too.
 
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Though it's not my own cup 'o tea, still it's very impressive what you and the builder have accomplished.

I would be curious to try a more mainstream model of his, with frets and regular 34" scale, but with the body dished out like yours, possibly humbucking J-ish electronics and pickup positioning, and a regular bridge something like a BadAss 2.

Your neck width at the nut seems to be close to what I would like.

Is that a bit wider than a stock P ?

The weight and balance is what I would want to maintain, as I'm getting older too.
Sorry for the late response.

The 1.75" nut is the original P'bass width, though nowdays most modern P-basses are 1.625". I really like the wider nut as long as it is paired with a shallower neck. It's almost the same as my Carlo (which is also 35"), and while my MIM P isn't quite as wide, it has a similarly shallow neck. I like this length, shape and width so much that I'm having Lowdown bassmake me a new neck for my jazz bass that will extend the scale 35" and be similar to the Carlo and Wendler.

Like you, this bass had me also thinking about having Wendler do a more traditional model. I actually inquired about a fretted version with traditional pups and bridge for a set of darkstars I've got in a Frankenbass. He said it was possible but wasn't usually his cup-o-tea and would probably cost upwards of $1500. As much as I'd like a fretted Wendler to drop my darkstars into, I'm not going to have a luthier do a project they're not interested in.
 
Thank you for linking this in another thread, I simply had to comment on how ingenious, yet simple and wonderful that instrument is!
You're very welcome.
I enjoyed and agreed with your thoughts on the negligible effects of of wood on magnetic pickup instruments.

If any solidbody instrument's tone was affected by wood it would be this one. That might be the case and I do love the tone but i suspect that even here the effect of the wood is less than many would think and is subordinate to the pickups , flatwound strings and that it is a fretless.
 
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You're very welcome.
I enjoyed and agreed with your thoughts on the negligible effects of of wood on magnetic pickup instruments.

If any solidbody instrument's tone was affected by wood it would be this one. That might be the case and I do love the tone but i suspect that even here the effect of the wood is less than many would think and is subordinate to the pickups , flatwound strings and that it is a fretless.

This build made me think I should just make something similar for my next build, except adding a triangular ramp at the bridge, to put my single saddled bridge pieces. It should be a fun experiment! Might as well make it a 6 string, with beech centerpiece on the body and pine wings. I really love how lightweight that bass is!