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NCD: Darkglass DG212N

Like a lot of people that play hard rock or metal, I've experimented with Darkglass pedals, but they never quite worked out for me. That said, I've been keeping my eye on their cabs for the past few years. The youtube samples have always sounded great, but I never had the chance to hear them in real life.

Fast forward a bit and I'm in the situation of looking to pair up a new cab to my Mesa WD-800. As we all know, the Mesa cabs are unicorns right now (not a criticism, just reality). I did see the Subway 215 cab in stock a few times, but I just couldn't justify the price after taxes etc. I also wanted to be able to trade in gear towards the purchase.

A local GC had the DG212N in stock, so I brought in my old cabs (GK CX115, Peavey 1516 with an Eminence CA154 15" in it), had a quick play through of the DG212N they had in the store, and was pretty impressed. I had them ship me a new one from the warehouse and it arrived in perfect condition.
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Construction/looks:
-I thought the silver weave tolex was pretty sharp in the pictures, but wasn't sure how I'd like it long term. So far so good. It's a little more subdued in-person and looks great.
-Light as per the specs, but feels solid.
-Handles are in a good location for transporting.
-Tweeter dial has a good feel to it.
-The grill is on there tight. There is the tab at the bottom, but I felt like I was going to rip it off if I tried any harder - oh well, it stays sealed for now.

Tone:
-It has a neutral/flat tone, which comes across as mid forward.
-The tweeter isn't harsh and is more a treble volume knob for the cab instead of really altering how it sounds. I play with a pick so I've settled on about 10:30 for now (12:00 being the "flat" setting).
-There is a roundness to the notes even with it having strong mids.
-THUNDEROUS low end, but not boomy.
-Tight and punchy, but the roundness mentioned above prevents it from being obnoxiously so.

First few hours impression:
The last 212 I played was a long time ago - a GK Neo 212 from either the first or second generation of that line. Since then I've been mostly playing various 15's. I know technology advances, but I never would have imaged that a 212 could sound like this. I don't have any other present day 212s to compare it to, but WOW. The absolute authority that this cab solidly dishes out notes with is something else. The low end is focused cannon shots going off. I wouldn't say that this cab has the traditional sub sub-lows voicing/more enveloping sub-lows of a 15 or 18, but you still feel it and it ate my B string for breakfast. If you use a HPF you may not notice it anyway.

Pairing with heads/basses:
You can clearly hear the characteristics of different amps or basses you put through it, but you can definitely also tell you are playing the DG212N. This may or may not jive with some people. That said, while I think that it sounds great on its own, I would absolutely call this a "mix cab". I normally keep strong mids in my tone anyway, but I found myself being able to scoop the mids on my amp without causing the normal issues.

In the mix:
I'm not playing with anyone currently, so my very non-scientific method is to turn off my stereo's sub-woofer, turn it up to a level that probably should require earplugs and give it a rip playing along. No matter how I EQ'd my amp or adjusted my tone knob on my bass, I cut through. Even with the tone rolled all the way off and mids and treble cut pretty hard on my amp, my notes still poked through. This is very musical, though and it cut while sitting in the mix at the same time.

I had read on here that the cab was a bit directional as far as projection and that's true to a certain extent. Going from about 6ft directly in front of the cab, to about 45 degrees off the corner of the cab and 8ft away, there was a drop in volume. What was lost was the boom of the lows and high end dynamics (string noise etc.) - it just sounded like the tone was cleaned up a bunch. Those elements would probably be lost somewhat in a band setting anyway.

Moving forward - keeping it?
Yes. I really think this cab is something special, but I can also see people not liking it at first listen - you gotta hear it in the mix to truly appreciate it. I'll say that this is a cab to build your tone around. In the Bass - Amp - Cab balancing act of brightness vs darkness, it might be too much if your amp and bass are already really bright.

I'm in that situation a bit right now. My bass has a maple fret board with stainless steel frets with Aguilar DCB pickups installed - clear and bright. The Mesa WD-800, while having that tube pre-amp to give it great character, is full of clarity and its natural voice is strong in the mids/bright (IMO, YMMV). While the DG212N presents these two in a wonderful light, I might actually prefer an amp with a little less clarity/is a bit darker through it.

I haven't even had this cab a full week yet, so I'll be trying different EQ settings on the WD-800, but I wouldn't be surprised if I find myself trying out some different amp pairings in the future as well.
 
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Like a lot of people that play hard rock or metal, I've experimented with Darkglass pedals, but they never quite worked out for me. That said, I've been keeping my eye on their cabs for the past few years. The youtube samples have always sounded great, but I never had the chance to hear them in real life.
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I haven't even had this cab a full week yet, so I'll be trying different EQ settings on the WD-800, but I wouldn't be surprised if I find myself trying out some different amp pairings in the future as well.

Great review! I love mine as well and I agree with this on pretty much all points! :thumbsup:
 
Ive been out of the bass game for a few years and am wanting to get back into things. Definitely interested in these cabs. I'm trying to get a post metal project going and need something somewhat loud. Any idea if a GK700rb II will have enough juice to get it to cut through in small venues? Previously coming from a Sunn215b with Eminence Legends and that amp was damn near perfect (wish i hadn't sold it) and am curious how they compare. I've never played a cab rated at this much power so not sure if I need to upgrade my head too. Thanks
 
Ive been out of the bass game for a few years and am wanting to get back into things. Definitely interested in these cabs. I'm trying to get a post metal project going and need something somewhat loud. Any idea if a GK700rb II will have enough juice to get it to cut through in small venues? Previously coming from a Sunn215b with Eminence Legends and that amp was damn near perfect (wish i hadn't sold it) and am curious how they compare. I've never played a cab rated at this much power so not sure if I need to upgrade my head too. Thanks

I tried the 8ohm 2x10 version in a rehearsal setting and I was blown away at the room filling ability of that cab with a Markbass head (not mine, feel like it was the “little mark”). With that being said there weren’t really many things stepping on my frequencies that day. It definitely wouldn’t have done it for many of the heavier projects I’ve contributed to in the past. So I actually purchased 2 of the darkglass dg212n cabs to use with my kemper and powerstage700. I feel like one could get you by in most situations but with the pair, I’m pretty sure they can take someone’s head off. And I’m glad to not need a huge vehicle to lug a pair of 810s around. These things fit in my tiny car with a rack and a couple basses with no issue.

At substantial volumes I feel like the 212 should be capable for most situations. I’d be concerned if I had to compete with a pair to 412s on each side. Maybe get one and return it if it doesn’t work out? It seems like there is a significant lack of information on these cabs.
 
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I tried the 8ohm 2x10 version in a rehearsal setting and I was blown away at the room filling ability of that cab with a Markbass head (not mine, feel like it was the “little mark”). With that being said there weren’t really many things stepping on my frequencies that day. It definitely wouldn’t have done it for many of the heavier projects I’ve contributed to in the past. So I actually purchased 2 of the darkglass dg212n cabs to use with my kemper and powerstage700. I feel like one could get you by in most situations but with the pair, I’m pretty sure they can take someone’s head off. And I’m glad to not need a huge vehicle to lug a pair of 810s around. These things fit in my tiny car with a rack and a couple basses with no issue.

At substantial volumes I feel like the 212 should be capable for most situations. I’d be concerned if I had to compete with a pair to 412s on each side. Maybe get one and return it if it doesn’t work out? It seems like there is a significant lack of information on these cabs.

Thanks for the reply. That was my concern as well. I think I might go for a gk412 instead.
 
Sorry for the late replies:

Is that a Peavey head above the Mesa? How do the two amps compare through the new cab?
Yes, that's a Peavey MiniMax V2. Everything I've put through the DG212n sounds absolutely great. As said before, the 212 is clarity but with its own flavor at the same time. It's not overly colored, though and individual amp characteristics easily shine through when you change amps.

As far as the amps themselves, the only real downside to the Peavey is a loud always on fan. You can't tell it's on when playing, but it's always heard when not playing. It also has a mid/upper midrange characteristic that some people like and some people don't (I don't have a problem and always have the 1k boost button in). The 212 has great mids, so they'll be heard for sure. If money was a factor, I'd have absolutely no issue recommending it over the Mesa. It's defined, thick, has a TON of low end, maybe a little dark, but more clarity than not. Very very punchy.

The Mesa gear is probably the finest gear components/construction wise I've ever touched. They absolutely deserve that reputation. I tried both the WD-800 and TT-800. It was my first time with amps that had a tube pre (only solid state before) and I loved what it added to my sound. I didn't care for the TT overdrive (flubby) but the WD was great (more of a light fuzz). In the end, though neither worked out as adding the tube overdrive to the level I wanted made my B string too undefined for my taste. If I only played 4 strings it would probably have been a non-issue. The TT input was extremely sensitive and was another reason that one went back. Overall, IMO the Mesa gear sounded great and always had a soft warmness to it's tone in the background even if you had an aggressive tone dialed in. That said, to me it always felt like I was playing next to the music instead of with it, if that makes any sense. Once again, purely my take with my specific gear.

I also tried out an Ampeg SVT7 Pro and an Orange OB1. Ultimately I went with a full DG stack - the Microtubes 900v2. It's got that clarity but sounds very natural at the same time and not "sterile". I utilize the built in drive(s) as low level always on grit and it sits wonderfully in a mix while not getting lost at the same time.

I went with the 900v2 just b/c I'm a "headroom enthusiast" but I'm sure the 500v2 would be the same. As expected it pairs wonderfully with the 212 and you can tell that they were engineered with one another (not that the other amps didn't sound great too, but it just "clicked" when I paired the two DG products together).

Thanks for the reply. That was my concern as well. I think I might go for a gk412 instead.

As @xchristopherx said, the DG212 gets plenty loud, almost surprisingly so for a 212. I don't have experience with it in a band setting, but with my Microtubes 900v2, I really can't imagine how loud it would be with my amp really turned up. That said, I also don't doubt that it could handle that much power without issue. When running it at 500 watts (2 ohm switch), it got equally loud almost just as fast. Something to keep in mind is that at about 45 degrees off of the front corners, there is some dispersion loss. I'm not really sure how it compares to other 212s in this regard, but with how loud it gets I don't think it would be that much of an issue.
 
Sorry for the late replies:


Yes, that's a Peavey MiniMax V2. Everything I've put through the DG212n sounds absolutely great. As said before, the 212 is clarity but with its own flavor at the same time. It's not overly colored, though and individual amp characteristics easily shine through when you change amps.

As far as the amps themselves, the only real downside to the Peavey is a loud always on fan. You can't tell it's on when playing, but it's always heard when not playing. It also has a mid/upper midrange characteristic that some people like and some people don't (I don't have a problem and always have the 1k boost button in). The 212 has great mids, so they'll be heard for sure. If money was a factor, I'd have absolutely no issue recommending it over the Mesa. It's defined, thick, has a TON of low end, maybe a little dark, but more clarity than not. Very very punchy.

The Mesa gear is probably the finest gear components/construction wise I've ever touched. They absolutely deserve that reputation. I tried both the WD-800 and TT-800. It was my first time with amps that had a tube pre (only solid state before) and I loved what it added to my sound. I didn't care for the TT overdrive (flubby) but the WD was great (more of a light fuzz). In the end, though neither worked out as adding the tube overdrive to the level I wanted made my B string too undefined for my taste. If I only played 4 strings it would probably have been a non-issue. The TT input was extremely sensitive and was another reason that one went back. Overall, IMO the Mesa gear sounded great and always had a soft warmness to it's tone in the background even if you had an aggressive tone dialed in. That said, to me it always felt like I was playing next to the music instead of with it, if that makes any sense. Once again, purely my take with my specific gear.

I also tried out an Ampeg SVT7 Pro and an Orange OB1. Ultimately I went with a full DG stack - the Microtubes 900v2. It's got that clarity but sounds very natural at the same time and not "sterile". I utilize the built in drive(s) as low level always on grit and it sits wonderfully in a mix while not getting lost at the same time.

I went with the 900v2 just b/c I'm a "headroom enthusiast" but I'm sure the 500v2 would be the same. As expected it pairs wonderfully with the 212 and you can tell that they were engineered with one another (not that the other amps didn't sound great too, but it just "clicked" when I paired the two DG products together).



As @xchristopherx said, the DG212 gets plenty loud, almost surprisingly so for a 212. I don't have experience with it in a band setting, but with my Microtubes 900v2, I really can't imagine how loud it would be with my amp really turned up. That said, I also don't doubt that it could handle that much power without issue. When running it at 500 watts (2 ohm switch), it got equally loud almost just as fast. Something to keep in mind is that at about 45 degrees off of the front corners, there is some dispersion loss. I'm not really sure how it compares to other 212s in this regard, but with how loud it gets I don't think it would be that much of an issue.
Lots of good info. THX
 
One more aside, since the Microtubes 900v2 has the built in impulse response capabilities for headphone/DI out, I was able to virtually compare the DG212n and DG410n. The 410 was a bit tighter and deeper in the low end but the 212 still wins for me b/c of the mid content. 410 might be characterized as smiley face EQ vs flat or frowny face EQ with the 212. Neither were lacking, but just what was more pronounced in each. Another bonus for the 212 would be the ease of transport due to it's lighter weight and more narrow form factor.
 
One more aside, since the Microtubes 900v2 has the built in impulse response capabilities for headphone/DI out, I was able to virtually compare the DG212n and DG410n. The 410 was a bit tighter and deeper in the low end but the 212 still wins for me b/c of the mid content. 410 might be characterized as smiley face EQ vs flat or frowny face EQ with the 212. Neither were lacking, but just what was more pronounced in each. Another bonus for the 212 would be the ease of transport due to it's lighter weight and more narrow form factor.

Think it can handle doomy/post metal?
 
Think it can handle doomy/post metal?
It's definitely built to handle distortion b/c those dark glass pedals are built into all of their amps. That said, I also stack the Big Opiate fuzz (based on the old Superfuzz) and the Does it Doom? Doomsaw (HM-2 based pedal) into the front of it with the B3K onboard amp distortion on as well.
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EDIT: I'll still defer back to my original review, though. The DG212n will handle all the bass you throw at it, but it might not give you the sub-sub low tones if you are used to the classic 15's and 18's for doom etc. It's still going to retain a bit of a mid tone even with the lowest notes...but it'll shake a room to it's foundation while doing so.
 
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Good review. I'm doing a full rig upgrade this year, and this cab is definitely on my short list. It's between this one, the GK Neo 212 IV, and the Genzler Nu Classic 212T. My tonal goals are full thick & warm lows, with strong mids. I don't care for tweeters, so I generally turn them off. Will have to try out all 3, and choose which one I like best.
Yeah, you'll definitely need to try them out - I don't have any experience with the others. My setup before this one was sans-tweeter as well, so initially I was ready to just turn it off on the DG212n. I've kept it on, though. To my ears it's a tweeter that actually compliments the speaker tone and I've settled on a setting of 12-noon or a little before that.

I guess it also depends on what your specific definition of "warm" is. For some people it needs to get super low for it to be "warm". I'd say the DG212 is warm in a midsy way. Full thick and strong mids are what that cab is all about, though.

I'll try and record some short samples both clean and w/pedals later this week if I have the time.
 
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Life has been busy, so I haven't had much bass time at all recently. As luck would have it, though here is a fresh comparison of all 4 neo cabs:



This video confirmed why I like the DG212N so much. I could see people calling the 10's cabinets "sterile" (I actually like the 210 more than the 410 in the video) while the 12's just have those great mids and such a great full bodied sound.

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He chose the 212 at the end.
 
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Life has been busy, so I haven't had much bass time at all recently. As luck would have it, though here is a fresh comparison of all 4 neo cabs:



This video confirmed why I like the DG212N so much. I could see people calling the 10's cabinets "sterile" (I actually like the 210 more than the 410 in the video) while the 12's just have those great mids and such a great full bodied sound.

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He chose the 212 at the end.


Yep, Nick tried and tried to make the 210 the winner, but after the shoot he kept going back and forth with the 212 and couldn't deny it - he complained about its being bigger than the 210 but I think it's only about 10-15% bigger in any given direction. I have the 210 myself and think it sounds great, but the 212 is just... more. More beefy at the very least. The 410 was the biggest sounding, of course, but the 212 seemed to be a real sweet spot.
 
Yep, Nick tried and tried to make the 210 the winner, but after the shoot he kept going back and forth with the 212 and couldn't deny it - he complained about its being bigger than the 210 but I think it's only about 10-15% bigger in any given direction. I have the 210 myself and think it sounds great, but the 212 is just... more. More beefy at the very least. The 410 was the biggest sounding, of course, but the 212 seemed to be a real sweet spot.
Agreed - the 212 mids really give you a nice full tone.