need help amp / speaker problem

[P bass guy]

Okay, final thought on all of this. Aside from lessons learned, and knowledge gained from this discussion thread, I just found the real silver lining to all this.

I just met the coolest cat imaginable. This guy is clearly the speaker guru. He's 70 years old or so and has been repairing speakers since junior high in the 1950's. It's all he does. Incredibly knowledgeable, super pleasant and spry for his age. Super thorough. I'm no good at this stuff so I took in the whole cab. He ran through a thorough diagnostic running a test signal from 20 hz up to 20k. (They still produced the full range). Did a battery test, then he asked me to describe the problem I was having, he had no problem pulling the grill and pulling the speakers for me, no extra charge for all this time. Showed me how everything works, checked out the cab and complimented it's construction and design from the amount and the quality of the plywood to the crossover and port designed. Explained how that type of port helps throw the long waves. Just a wealth of knowledge.

He was recommended by another gentleman, an amplifier repair man of similar life experience, who clued me in that he's not just the best in the area, he's the only. Anybody else who says they can take it in for recone would just bring it to him. Just a tiny hole in the wall shop. Not a computer in sight, writes everything up by hand in a great big book and writes me a claim receipt by hand. Old school and knows his stuff.

Local Eden dealer quoted me 100 to 125 each speaker.

This guy, who probably would have ultamtely done the work from what I've been told... 46 bucks each! One week.

It was such a pleasant visit I feel lucky just to have met this man. He even suggested modifying the cab by adding a fuse to the circuit, possibly with an 8 ohm resistor in parallel. Might have to start another thread with some questions on that.

Guys like this are getting hard to find. Meeting this gentleman is definitely the silver lining to blowing up my speakers!

 

[will33]

Found a guy to recone at reasonable price. Going in today. Thanks again guys.

This is your best, and most affordable option...good news.

Now always use both cabs with this guy and still try to get him to bring it down...for your own hearing protection.


I might also add try setting your 210 on end on top of your 15 to make the stack as tall as possible, getting a speaker in your ear so you don't have to push things so hard to hear yourself.

Also lean the guitards cab back against the wall, pointed squarely at his head and away from everyone elses.


Also, earplugs are a necessity in this situation but +1 to whoever said earplugs will just deaden the sound, causing you to run your rig harder just to hear it.

I come from the school of "why wear earplugs when you could just turn the hell down and hear all of your sound normally", but again, they don't make replacement ears, so wear the plugs to protect yourself from him, while being content with hearing and feeling "some" of your bass while not damaging your gear.


To folks who swear by earplugs all the time, I say, take them out and play a song without touching a knob on any gear in the whole band....just to hear what a rediculoualy loud, crap tone you all are really using....because that's exactly what your audience is experiencing. Would you pay to hear that?, let alone stay at the gig for any length of time?

 

[will33]

Okay, final thought on all of this. Aside from lessons learned, and knowledge gained from this discussion thread, I just found the real silver lining to all this.

I just met the coolest cat imaginable. This guy is clearly the speaker guru. He's 70 years old or so and has been repairing speakers since junior high in the 1950's. It's all he does. Incredibly knowledgeable, super pleasant and spry for his age. Super thorough. I'm no good at this stuff so I took in the whole cab. He ran through a thorough diagnostic running a test signal from 20 hz up to 20k. (They still produced the full range). Did a battery test, then he asked me to describe the problem I was having, he had no problem pulling the grill and pulling the speakers for me, no extra charge for all this time. Showed me how everything works, checked out the cab and complimented it's construction and design from the amount and the quality of the plywood to the crossover and port designed. Explained how that type of port helps throw the long waves. Just a wealth of knowledge.

He was recommended by another gentleman, an amplifier repair man of similar life experience, who clued me in that he's not just the best in the area, he's the only. Anybody else who says they can take it in for recone would just bring it to him. Just a tiny hole in the wall shop. Not a computer in sight, writes everything up by hand in a great big book and writes me a claim receipt by hand. Old school and knows his stuff.

Local Eden dealer quoted me 100 to 125 each speaker.

This guy, who probably would have ultamtely done the work from what I've been told... 46 bucks each! One week.

It was such a pleasant visit I feel lucky just to have met this man. He even suggested modifying the cab by adding a fuse to the circuit, possibly with an 8 ohm resistor in parallel. Might have to start another thread with some questions on that.

Guys like this are getting hard to find. Meeting this gentleman is definitely the silver lining to blowing up my speakers!

IMO, you need to make friends with this guy, ask him if you can hang out from time to time, help sweep the floor or disassemble cabinets or something.

Guys like that are worth their weight in gold. Soak up all the knowledge you can from him and look at his "big books". That mans brain is a library, encyclopedia, and technical manual all rolled into to one, and when he's gone, it's gone too.

I'll bet he also has some good stories.

Basically, just be a good neighbor/friend.

 

[okcrum]

One last thought. It almost sounds like something is rattling. I think I'll check the cab for any loose screws.

You may need to pull one of the drivers and look inside the cab, too. Internal braces can be glued in and come loose, but regluing and perhaps a screw or two will take care of it. It does sound like you're bottoming out the driver(s).

 

[Chris 'Wighat' Jordan]

I read this whole thread and I don't think anyone pointed out that the OP's amp is rated at 250 into 4 Ohms. He's running an 8 Ohm 2x10. That's a around 150 Watts into a 210 which is simply not ever going to provide the loudness required of the situation.