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Need help on getting my tone out through the PA..

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carlitos5682

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Dec 29, 2011
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#1
My amp isn't loud live due to only having a 4x10 cab. I really enjoy the tone I get out of it, but is there anyway that I can route my tone into the PA as well as have my tone coming out through my cab without micing it?

I have my sansamp and tuner in through the effects loop with the Sansamp being 2nd/last in the effects loop.

I'm sorry if what I'm saying isn't understandable.

Current Setup:
Schecter Stilleto Elite-5
Hartke LH-1000
Hartke Hydrive 4x10
Tech21 Sansamp RBI
Peterson Stroborack
Furman M8DX
 
#4
According to the schematic, the direct out on the Hartke is taken directly after the input buffers. That is, it is as spego stated, pre tube preamp, pre EQ, and pre FX loop.

Thus, if you want the sound closest to your sound coming out of the cab, you will probably have better luck taking a board feed off the RBI.
 
#7
I turn my volume up at around 6 and it's just peaks. If I have it a slight bit lower it sounds fine, but isn't so audible to who I'm performing. I've tried the DI off the head and it was pre eq'd so I guess the next best thing is to try the output from the RBI.

Thanks guys!
 
#8
That's a big amp and you shouldn't be running out of power. With two preamps, I suspect you don't have your levels setup correctly. For tests, bypass the RBI and just play through the hartke and see if it's loud enough without peaking, or overpowering the speakers. If it is, you know that it's probably the RBI, and you can work on settings to make it work.
Is the RBI running through the efx return of the Hartke, or through the instrument input?

Wes
 
#13
Im usually almost twice as loud outdoors. Be careful most bass players tend to compensate for open air by boosting their lows to make it sound like it does in a small room- nice and full - but that affects the overall sound and the house sound, just crank up the volume instead. In the case of outdoor gigs I usually have the stage tech gimmie some bass in my monitor (assuming you have your own mix) - also I know more and more guys whether its bass or keys or whatever, are running an extra powered monitor for themselves or kickback combo especially when outdoors or with a loud drummer.

As far as your low volume even when on 6 - this will vary mostly due to your bass signal, you may have a weak signal from a passive bass or EQ issue or something... if not, maybe something wrong with the head - those amps are really supposed to kill it.

Also I always have an Art Studio MP tube pre amp with me just in case I want more control
1. - its cheap, its an OK substitute as a signal booster
2. I run it after my effects and prior to my amp so its balanced DI goes to the house - this way when I need to turn my amp up ad down on stage I am not constantly affecting the house signal.
 
#16
is the RBI actually "in the loop", getting fed by the "effects out" from the amp itself?

instead, try bypassing the amp's preamp entirely; go from the bass, through whatever pedals you like, straight into the RBI, and out of that into the "effects return" of the hartke. this turns the hartke into a straight-up power amp (and at 1000w bridged into 4Ω, all the power amp you should need.)

the RBI itself is a perfectly good preamp, you don't need to go through another preamp to get to it, or to feed it into another preamp. its "sansamp" XLR out is all you need to get a good part of "your" tone into the PA.
 
#17
I'd try running the RBI between your bass and head and NOT through the effects loop. Set the gain on the RBI so that the volume is the same with the RBI engaged and disengaged (unity gain). That might solve your problem.
 
#18
Also really try to spend some time getting the blend of your bass and the kick drum right. In volume but also EQ.

A lot of bands turn the kick drum up too high and give the kick way too much of the sonic spectrum and don't leave anything for the bass. Unless your band is really about featuring the bass as a lead / melodic instrument, a big part of your perceived bass tone will depend on how it interacts with the kick drum... are they meshing and complimenting each other, or fighting?

I've been playing for over 30 years and only really got a handle on this concept a couple years ago. But now it has completely changed how I set up my sound. My bass sounds like ass on its own but when it's pumping through the P.A. with our kick drum it's a whole different thing.
 

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