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Double Bass New bow hair day

So, went for the salt&pepper look this time, just to try it out. As I picked up the bow, the luthier suggested starting to rosin the bow with a couple of swipes of violin rosin, before applying (ideally fresh) DB rosin. The violin rosin is a 1 only use, not to be repeated.

Anyone tried this before? Also, with new hair, do you need "fresh" rosin (new) or just make sure the rosin is up to standard? (eg hasn't completely dried out so to speak).

Regards to all
 
It's somewhat common for rehairs (or new bows) come pre-rosined with violin rosin. You'll find different opinions on that. Some never want violin rosin to touch their bow hair; I think it gives a good base.

As for whether the bass rosin needs to be fresh, that would be ideal. But that's always true. I wouldn't necessarily buy a new cake of rosin just because I just had a bow rehaired.
 
Steve from String Emporium told me to use my hardest rosin for the first couple of days when I got my Finale (salt and pepper hair, as it happens), and keep reapplying as needed. Then switch to my regular stuff.

I don't think there's ever been a scientific study on this, and if there was, it would probably come up "YMMV."

Fresh rosin is nice, of course. But if your rosin worked before the rehair, why wouldn't it work after? I scrape the outer layer off my cake when it gets dry, and if that doesn't help, I'll "Kasper" it, which is the ol' melt & stir trick.
 
So, went for the salt&pepper look this time, just to try it out. As I picked up the bow, the luthier suggested starting to rosin the bow with a couple of swipes of violin rosin, before applying (ideally fresh) DB rosin. The violin rosin is a 1 only use, not to be repeated.

Anyone tried this before? Also, with new hair, do you need "fresh" rosin (new) or just make sure the rosin is up to standard? (eg hasn't completely dried out so to speak).

Regards to all
Interesting thought - I've never tried it before, but am constantly grappling with different rosin types, weather, humidity, and mysterious Time-Life Books Mysteries of the Unknown third variables that make my instrument either sound terrible or glorious for no apparent reason.

I'm using a bastard mix of Cecelia Signature and Solo, depending on how much grip vs squeak I get. I also use gut strings which is a further confound - they sound amazing, but man are they temperamental sometimes.

I also don't really know what fresh versus not-fresh rosin means. I don't know how long it's sat on a shelf in a warehouse before I bought it, and I don't know what stale rosin is like (or maybe I've never experienced fresh rosin). All I know is that some days, it's all Signature, other days it's Solo, and often is a few swipes of one and a single swipe of the other in no discernable order.

If I'm completely out to lunch, I'd benefit from the superior wisdom of my peers. Lay it on me!
 
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If I'm completely out to lunch, I'd benefit from the superior wisdom of my peers. Lay it on me!
I doubt that my "wisdom" is superior, but ... I suspect that the seeming randomness of bow and rosin might be a function of lack of experience. I've read so many stories here about how "[Insert master bassist's name here] could make any bass/strings/rosin sound good," and there are days when I wonder if someone has sneaked in and changed something. In those times, I go back to basics: Bow some long notes on open strings, check my approach in the mirror, play until I'm getting what I want from the bow.
 
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I doubt that my "wisdom" is superior, but ... I suspect that the seeming randomness of bow and rosin might be a function of lack of experience. I've read so many stories here about how "[Insert master bassist's name here] could make any bass/strings/rosin sound good," and there are days when I wonder if someone has sneaked in and changed something. In those times, I go back to basics: Bow some long notes on open strings, check my approach in the mirror, play until I'm getting what I want from the bow.
Yeah - I always warm up with a Telemann adagio to open up the table - not sure why, but the really long and full bass notes seem to get the instrument into proper speaking shape. But like a living thing, some days it sounds amazing, and others (usually during weather changes - high humidity) it's grumpy and makes me want to sell it and quit :D
 
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I doff my cap to you, good Sir!
KAsper(r) - is that better? ;-)
I doubt that my "wisdom" is superior, but ... I suspect that the seeming randomness of bow and rosin might be a function of lack of experience. I've read so many stories here about how "[Insert master bassist's name here] could make any bass/strings/rosin sound good," and there are days when I wonder if someone has sneaked in and changed something. In those times, I go back to basics: Bow some long notes on open strings, check my approach in the mirror, play until I'm getting what I want from the bow.
Nice solo on that Jericho tune.. ;-)
 
I'm not sure about the theory behind using violin rosin as bass rosin is softer, stickier and ought to stick better to the new hair?
A luthier I go to sprinkles some powdered rosin onto the new hair.
But I now just persevere with my pops without much issue.
 
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Powdered rosin is useful because when new hair has no rosin on it at all the rosin you are trying to apply doesn't have anything to stick to, so it takes a while to get your rosin on the bow. If you are using a cake of rosin, it will often "skate" across the hair and eventually find spots that starts to grab rosin while the rest doesn't, and it takes a while to fill in the gaps and get a consistent amount of rosin from one end to the other. It takes a while, and if you're starting with a fresh cake of rosin that has a glossy new finish on it without roughing the surface, very few violinists want to go through it themselves and often request powder. The powder is just regular rosin crushed up and then brushed onto the hair. It gives your rosin something to grab onto, and can be distributed evenly to prevent the "spots" issue.

With the really hard and powdery upper string rosin you can blend in the spots with too much rosin pretty easily by playing a few long full bow strokes from one end to the other, and letting the string/hair even things out on it's own. It's also harder to over rosin with hard rosin, because it goes on slower.

With bass rosin, there are two big ideas:

Bass rosin(s) are very different from upper string rosins and often each other, so some bassists want to exclusively use the one rosin they like on their hair. Some rosins work well together, some don't, and it doesn't really take that long to get something as sticky as pops on fresh hair anyway, so leave it alone.

Bass rosin(s) are very soft, so it's easy for them to clump/blob and you to over rosin. On new hair one spot grabbing rosin and the rest of the hair not can mean way too much rosin in one part but not the rest, and spreading it around by playing it in can be tricky, as it tends to stay put instead of disperse the way the harder violin rosin does. Just like the upper strings powder can help evenly disperse your own rosin which reduces the chance of over rosined random spots and other places where the new hair refuses to take the rosin.

All of that should be pretty much worked out in your first practice session after a rehair anyway. Depending on how long it has been and if you had other work done when the rehair was happening it might take a while for you to remember what your bow feels like when it's healthy again, but it shouldn't be some week long affair to get it going. Usually when that's the case there are other variables like you've changed rosins or strings or had work done to your instrument or some combination of all the things and you are adapting to all of them together and that's a longer process.

Don't get it rehaired and go directly from the shop on stage for a performance without any time to warm up and think "my usual 2 swipes of pops should do it" but you don't have to plan a month in advance to appease the rosin gods.