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New electronics for a Pedulla Pentabuzz?

The alternative is that I may speak to John East here in the UK
John East’s stuff is great.
But reading your post more it sounds more like something is wrong with the pickup or the wiring than the preamp?

My nearest competent tech is over an hour away
Overwater are great - but which direction are Overwater in to you? ACG are based north and may be closer, Alpher are based south east within an hour of Overwater...
 
If you are handy with a soldering iron, you might consider swapping the pickups where they connect to the preamp. That might tell you if it is a preamp issue vs a pickup issue. If the pickups have the same volume issue, then it would be the pickups. If the volume issue is on the other pickups, it would be a preamp issue (or buffer, or pot, depending on what the pickups connect to first on your particular Bartolini setup).
 
How about you trace the circuit from blend pot back to pickups and make sure nothing simple is wrong before you do an electronics replacement.

Repair before replacement.

I've looked in the back of the bass but I couldn't head nor tail of it, other than to say the wiring all looks intact, nothing hanging loose and no suspect connections. Beyond that, it looks as though everything is in housed in separate modules. Beyond my ability to diagnose. As I say, it can be a tremendous sounding bass so long as I only use the bridge pickup or bridge with a tiny blend of neck. You may think I've embarked on a fool's errand for trying to fix this issue, but I do want a little more 'life' and growl from the bridge pickup, so maybe a change is in order.

Had a bass like yours: three-knob Pentabuzz, P/J pup config. Knobs controlled volume, blend, and tone, with a Bartolini TC3 preamp acting as a boost for a stronger output signal. Many prefer the simplicity and tone of this configuration.

Like you, I was never happy with bridge volume or tone...

Hope something here helps. Cheers!

This is a real gem of a post and I must commend you for it. Truly the sort of good advice that makes Talkbass such a rewarding place to visit. From reading your comments, I think we're in the very same boat. The three knob Pedulla setup is great - the inherent tone is very balanced and with just a little push to either side of the middle point on the tone control, you get a warmer, passive-esque sound or go the other way for a brighter, more prominent sound. It really gets the to heart of the tonal tweaks many bassists look for at a moment's notice so I can see why it's regarded as a simple and effective solution.

I used to have a Fender Jaco Pastorius fretless jazz and that was bridge pickup heaven for my fretless tastes. I just want something a little more honky and aggressive from the Pedulla, something that could really do the Jaco 'burp' sound. Part of this may be the setup, so I will look to raise the action slightly (the strings on my Pentabuzz are pretty low, testament to the general construction of the thing to allow for it to go so low and yet stay clean). But a pickup that brings loads of upper mids to the fore would be great.

Have you contacted Bartolini yet?

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They might be able to help and offer something non-standrad (i..e Pedulla-like) - wouldn't hurt to ask....

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This news regarding Bartolini now offering their Pedulla sets to owners is quite something for the Pedulla community. The aforementioned suggestion of moving to their 'Classic' jazz singlecoil bridge pickup may be a winner - Bart's 'Classic' pickups are actually more aggressive sounding than their 'Original' range, as they're model on the old Hi-A brand sound, which were pretty bright and aggressive at the time.

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John East’s stuff is great.
But reading your post more it sounds more like something is wrong with the pickup or the wiring than the preamp?

Overwater are great - but which direction are Overwater in to you? ACG are based north and may be closer, Alpher are based south east within an hour of Overwater...

The more I think about it, the more I feel like the problem is with the pickup and nothing else. The preamp functions as it should, albeit the pots are a tiny bit scratchy when moving (I'll get them cleaned with a service). There is no issue with the battery circuit and the jack works perfectly. Through the balanced input of my PJB, the whole thing sounds more composed and even than it does through my amp, though the bridge pickup is still noticeably quieter in comparison.

As for my location, I'm in Northumberland, with my nearest towns being Newcastle and Hexham. Carlisle is a straight shot down the A69 so works well for me. Alpher would not be out of reach either, though they'd be further away than Overwater. ACG are also not a million miles away in Moffat, though getting there would be more of a hassle. I did previously own a delightful ACG, so a trip up there would probably see me ordering a custom bass (this is also a danger at Overwater).

All in all, I am determined that I'll get this Pedulla to sound the way I want it to. I am quite attached to it, as buying one was the realisation of a dream I've held for over a decade. However, if I cannot get it to reproduce the sound in my head, I will sell it without hesistation. Sentimentality has no place in my collection.
 
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You can check pickup health quickly with a voltmeter.
An improperly soldered blend control can cause output issues as you described.
Blend pots are not a big deal to confirm proper leads are soldered to correct lug.

It’s basic and worth the time to learn.
It isn’t worth the $ to pay a bench fee bc it’s 1min worth of confirmation.
 
You can check pickup health quickly with a voltmeter.
An improperly soldered blend control can cause output issues as you described.
Blend pots are not a big deal to confirm proper leads are soldered to correct lug.

It’s basic and worth the time to learn.
It isn’t worth the $ to pay a bench fee bc it’s 1min worth of confirmation.

Any advice on how to go about that?
 
I have a love for Pedullas bc they do the PJ thing best.
They're something into themselves.
Any advice on how to go about that?


Google blend pot wiring to find schematics.
If what you have is visibly way off it's easy to fix.

Check YouTube vids about reading pickup leads with a multimeter. You need stock values for the J you are reading to compare your read vs ideal stock bnib wind. A little off is fine, way off % wise is not.

A good read on your J pickup means it's fine, I'd suspect something in your blend pot.

I've never played a Pedullas with a PJ balance issue, they tended to be really even from 80's to current.
 
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Good evening friends, I had hoped to cast a question before you so that I might enjoy your combined knowledge and perspective.

I've had a 1994 Pedulla Pentabuzz for over two years now. This is a P/J model 'three knob' setup with proprietary Bartolini electronics (more on that in a minute). The controls are Volume, balance and an active tone control with central detente.

For as long as I have owned the bass, the P pickup has been considerably louder than the J pickup. I even discovered that, prior to buying the bass, the owner before I had the bass had mentioned this in two 'for sale' threads on the internet. So this problem had obviously been there when he had the bass, though it was never mentioned when I bought it (imagine that). However, since my typical setup for a bass typically sees me only ever using the bridge pickup, this was not a problem and it does not affect my enjoyment of the bass but it strikes me that this is not right. I have sat on this problem for long enough and decided today that I would fix it, one way or another.

The disparity in volume is massive. It is not simply a case of adjusting the pickups, as I have the P set right down and the J brought up as far as it will reasonably go, and the P pickup is still massively louder. This goes far beyond a 'balance' issue. If I were to sweep between pickups during a performance, I would need to turn my amp down to accommodate the volume increase on the P pickup. Similarly, it is not the battery either as the result is the same with a fresh or run-in battery.

Adding to my suspicions that something just isn't right is that the bridge pickup needs a lot of mids adding to it at my amp to really make it honk like I want it to. Now, there was a gulf of a decade between me last playing a Pentabuzz and me buying this one, but that also strikes me as odd. I almost feel as though the J pickup has some issue, and it's output is correspondingly low and stifled. It sounds great when you juice it up with the amp but it just isn't honky enough to me as standard, and I know and love Bartolini pickups - they should sing with midrange!

The electronics, as I mentioned, are proprietary Bartolini stuff. I will not be able to get a 'like for like' replacement now that Pedulla has closed down for good. I really need recommendations on pickups and a preamp to go into this beauty. I would prefer to stick with Bartolini, if they had an active preamp that would suit the three-knob layout on my bass.

The alternative is that I may speak to John East here in the UK, who is revered for great pickups and for solving problems of this nature, but I expect that a custom solution like that could well work out as being a lot more expensive than a suitable option off the shelf.

I look forward to the input of anyone else who can help me find a way forward here.
Since Pedulla's closure, Bartolini will now do the proprietary pickups/pre replacement Like for Like:)
 
1/8th Allen or whatever arbitrary Allen for your particular pickup pull or lack of string pull is a good start point.

A lot of guys ended up with bridge pickups that had grooves ground into them over time, Bart's and EMGs were conspicuous for how often I'd seen them worn.

I'm a big fan of feeding 18v to preamps bc there's a little extra headroom that fixes a lot of issues.