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New Geddy Bass

ghunter said:
A quick note from a long-time Rush fan (I'm Canadian, eh!) and Rickenbacker fan/owner: the Ric 12-strings have staggered perpendicular heads so you can't easily tell if it's a 6 or 12 just by looking at the visible tuning pegs. You can get a closer look on [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]. I haven't seen/used the "new" 12-string headstock like the one there, but my "old" 360/12 looks exactly the same from a tuning peg perspective.

Back to the thread...

I do like the Ric era where they were defining that huge vintage epic sound so popular at the time, but he also moved to the Steinberger at a good time, too. I think that the sharper, thinner tone from that was more suited to the faster, more intense music around the time of Grace Under Pressure and Signals (Moving Pictures perhaps being a transitional album?). They were becoming a more modern band at the time and the vintage Ric tone probably wouldn't have added as much to the overall sound they were after. At the same time, Alex Lifeson was changing his guitar style with more effects, and Neil Peart's lyrics were definitely moving them into the modern world very quickly.

At the same time, I'm glad he moved off the Steinberger pretty quickly as their music changed again and I seem to remember him flipping between a Jazz Bass and a Wal in the late 80's for that great warm, round tone. I think they really found their own sound in that period and were completely content to forge new ground and not just try to go with the flow as they had in the past. Hey, I guess that's what multiple gold & platinum albums does for you. Perhaps that's when Geddy really started to find his own sound and realized that he could lead instead of follow?

I have to admit that I didn't really follow them much after Presto, but the recent 30th anniversary stuff I've seen on TV recently has been amazing. More an evolution of the tone he had with Presto than a radical switch, but has he ever perfected it! I noted that he didn't even have a wall of amps behind him like Alex did.

One of the few people that most Canadians are proud of on the world's stage. Hopefully his goodness makes up for all the evil that Celine Dion has spread :)

I agree with everything you said 100%,.. except about Celine.. I'm generally not a fan or female ballad vocals, but she's hands down the best female voice I've ever heard. Don't be ashamed of her, or Brian Adams.. they're all great musicians, and all inferior to Rush which is the most under rated bad to ever survive 30+ years..
 
RSchuster said:
The sunburst one wasn't for Driven, I don't think. I recall him playing Driven on a black "Geddy" jazz, but with a tortoise-shell pickguard. The red one is GORGEOUS, and is definitely his 2112 bass . . . I would SO buy one of those; trans red is one of my favorite colors.

Despite the awesomeness of the J-basses, I wish he would play the Ric again. It's just like magic in his hands.

Yeah, AFAIK, the standard Geddy with white pickguard is tuned standard, the standard Geddy with the Black/White/Black pickguard (or maybe Tortoise, i'll go watch Rush in Rio again) is Dropped D (ie "Driven,") and the red one is a whole step down ie "2112."

EDIT: And what ghunter was talking about-- he switched to a Steinberger because it's quite small and easy to maneuver, so he could work all his synth easier.
 
kansas666 said:
I saw Rush on the 2112 tour and they both played the double necks then. This was before Zanadu. I don't recall which song's they used them on though.

That was on the video I am talking about "Exit Stage Left"

I think Lifeson has a double Gibson SG in white, and Geddy had the double Rick in black..
 
SnakeAnthony said:
I agree that the tone from the Ric really defined the Rush Bass sound. I don't know if I prefer it to the Jazz, or the Jazz to the Ric, but it definatly defined that era in Rush's history. But I doubt very seriously he'll ever go back to them. If you've read his BP Magazine interview from a few months back, he talks about hating the neck, and having to set the action high to get the tone he wanted from is.

As far as I'm concerned, The Rick is the ultimate Rush bass sound, the one I worship and aspire to. None of the others come close.
And if he really hated the neck that much, he must have loved the tone to put up with it so long!
 
SamJ said:
Try google (Image).. tons of them..

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JT has one just like it. God i'm jealous.


-Mark
 
SnakeAnthony said:
If you've read his BP Magazine interview from a few months back, he talks about hating the neck, and having to set the action high to get the tone he wanted from is.

He didn't say he hated the neck,

"The Ricky was a real slam-bam kind of instrument that I had to play more aggressively"

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. He just preferred the Jazz's slimmer neck.
 
Kink Rimson said:
As far as I'm concerned, The Rick is the ultimate Rush bass sound, the one I worship and aspire to. None of the others come close.
And if he really hated the neck that much, he must have loved the tone to put up with it so long!

He states his reson to switching to the jazz is its wonderful low end. But I find this very ironic as the Geddy Lee signature has one of the weakest low ends of any Jazz Bass that I've ever played. Don't get me wrong, they sound great, but the low end on those basses seems to get sucked out.

But like I said, the tone he gets from his Ric and the tone he gets from his Jazz are both very different. I'm not sure that I can say which I prefer, but I love both, and they each defined a differnt sound in differnt eras of Rush's music.
 
ghunter said:
I do like the Ric era where they were defining that huge vintage epic sound so popular at the time, but he also moved to the Steinberger at a good time, too. I think that the sharper, thinner tone from that was more suited to the faster, more intense music around the time of Grace Under Pressure and Signals (Moving Pictures perhaps being a transitional album?). They were becoming a more modern band at the time and the vintage Ric tone probably wouldn't have added as much to the overall sound they were after. At the same time, Alex Lifeson was changing his guitar style with more effects, and Neil Peart's lyrics were definitely moving them into the modern world very quickly.


Actually, "Signals" was done mostly with the Rickenbacker. "Digital Man" and "New World Man" are the Jazz, but the entire rest of the album is on his Ric. "Grace Under Pressure" was all the Steinberger. "Power Windows" right after it was all the Wal. Personally, "Subdivisions" not only has some of the greatest lyrics and greatest drumming ever, but also one of the greatest bass tones ever; Ric with fat distortion . . . that song (and everything off of "A Farewell To Kings") was probably the thing that made me want a Ric the most.
 
ghunter said:
A quick note from a long-time Rush fan (I'm Canadian, eh!) and Rickenbacker fan/owner: the Ric 12-strings have staggered perpendicular heads so you can't easily tell if it's a 6 or 12 just by looking at the visible tuning pegs. You can get a closer look on [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]. I haven't seen/used the "new" 12-string headstock like the one there, but my "old" 360/12 looks exactly the same from a tuning peg perspective.


True, but you can tell by the outline shape of the headstock.

The sunburst Jazz was definitely used on Between the Wheels on R30, I've just checked two DVDs.

Here's my 4080 (4/6):
 

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vene-nemesis said:
Thats not Maks bass, that is John Turner's bass and that man playing is Mr. T :D himself.

I feel like an idiot.. I've been pm(ing) back and forth with him for the past two days, and I don't even know what he looks like! Well, this confirms it however,
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John Turner!