There's already two more "B9" models coming from EHX, Deluxe v2 will be called "Congenial" and super-deluxe v3 will be called "Benevolent". 
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New "organ" pedal - EHX B9
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There's already two more "B9" models coming from EHX, Deluxe v2 will be called "Congenial" and super-deluxe v3 will be called "Benevolent".
Any sense on timing on this?
Sounded like a joke to me - play on words -- B9 / Benign ...Any sense on timing on this?There's already two more "B9" models coming from EHX, Deluxe v2 will be called "Congenial" and super-deluxe v3 will be called "Benevolent".
Sorry, didn't mean to poke you in the ribs, just meant to tickle them. 
I usedcinnamons, uhm, synonyms of "Benign" for all you ESL-TBers.
I used
You got an embarrassed giggle out of me as well made - nothing to worry about
Felt silly that I didn't see it but it's obviously not a big deal.
Felt silly that I didn't see it but it's obviously not a big deal.
spent some time playing with this today.
I brought a couple of my 4 string instruments which are pitched a fourth and fifth higher than guitar.
They sounded ok, but didn't track well in the second position.
i read that they didn't track well for low bass either, so it looks like it really is optimized for guitar.
Really wanted to like this, but not going to work for me.
didn't bother to play it with guitar or bass, as that would not be primary use.
The click was annoying as well, although it might not be so noticeable in a loud setting.
Overall sounded kind of fake, but occasionally a note would jump out that sounded good.
Didn't have any of these problems with my micropog, which is similar, so not sure why.
i will revisit later if they make another version.
i did like how light it was : )
I brought a couple of my 4 string instruments which are pitched a fourth and fifth higher than guitar.
They sounded ok, but didn't track well in the second position.
i read that they didn't track well for low bass either, so it looks like it really is optimized for guitar.
Really wanted to like this, but not going to work for me.
didn't bother to play it with guitar or bass, as that would not be primary use.
The click was annoying as well, although it might not be so noticeable in a loud setting.
Overall sounded kind of fake, but occasionally a note would jump out that sounded good.
Didn't have any of these problems with my micropog, which is similar, so not sure why.
i will revisit later if they make another version.
i did like how light it was : )
just to add…
I like what EH does in general. Not just doing the same classics over and over.
Just didn't work for my narrow particular thing.
I did find keeping the dry and organ settings equal worked the best.
Again, my micropog tracks great up and down the neck of my high pitched 4 string instruments and my standard guitar.
So, they must have put in steep shelves?
I like what EH does in general. Not just doing the same classics over and over.
Just didn't work for my narrow particular thing.
I did find keeping the dry and organ settings equal worked the best.
Again, my micropog tracks great up and down the neck of my high pitched 4 string instruments and my standard guitar.
So, they must have put in steep shelves?
I don't know if this will work, but here is an MP3 file of what the B9 sounds like when I use it with my guitar in a one man band situation. This is just a recording in my bedroom with a small recorder. Other than the Alesis SR18 drum machine, everything is coming out of my Stratocaster at the same time, including the bass guitar (Boss OC3 Octave, Carl Martin Compressor, Tech21 Programmable Bass Driver).
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Used mine at a show today. Everyone is amazed at what this pedal does.
I ran the bass at noon, and the organ at 10ish. Mod at 9-10. Click off. Preset 1
Thickened the sound no end, and at one point the second guitarist put his guitar down, as he said it sounded thick enough without him playing. ( he's also the singer, so he wasn't twiddling his thumbs!! )
I ran the bass at noon, and the organ at 10ish. Mod at 9-10. Click off. Preset 1
Thickened the sound no end, and at one point the second guitarist put his guitar down, as he said it sounded thick enough without him playing. ( he's also the singer, so he wasn't twiddling his thumbs!! )
I bought one today and after messing with it for a couple of hours I've lent it to a guitar player I work with. I'll use it with the mandocello when I get that back with a mag pickup but it's not something I'd ever be likely to use with a 4 string bass in any situation I can foresee. After using the Eventide PitchFactor fairly extensively I wasn't very impressed with the tracking of the B9 or even really the sound in the low end....but it wasn't designed with that in mind so that's not a hack on it at all. And I really like it in the mid and upper register of the guitar.
Another observation is that not being a keyboard player of any sort I can see some concentrated work to learn to articulate like one convincingly. A lot of the success seems to hinge on this.
Another observation is that not being a keyboard player of any sort I can see some concentrated work to learn to articulate like one convincingly. A lot of the success seems to hinge on this.
Does anyone know what category the B9 falls into: Octave, Synthesis, pitch, etc.? Or is it all three and modulation also?
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Well based on the manual and what people have said there is definitely octave and modulation. I'm not sure if there are non-octave pitch elements? I'm also not sure about synthesis, but since people talk about tracking I assume that's involved too.
My guess is it's based on digital pitch-shifting (octaves and possibly more) somewhat like a micro pog (someone correct me if I'm wrong). I'd say pitch shifting and not pitch-synthesis because the harmonic structure you hear appears to depend on the harmonic structure you put in. But of course it also has modulation (leslie, tremolo, vibrato), and the key-click which doesn't really fit into any category. All-in-all, un-categorisable, I'd say. Unless you want to call it emulation ?
I'm not sure that you can infer that talk of tracking must mean synthesis is involved. An OC-2 has tracking problems, and people don't normally classify an OC-2 as using synthesis ... though strictly speaking, I suppose, it is synthesising an octave below.
Would be really appreciated if you can post sound-clips of the B9 on mandocello!
As for its successful usage, I see the B9 in two lights:
1) Emulating a keyboard player, where indeed I'll have to think and articulate as per a keyboard player to convincingly create the illusion of one;
2) Playing the B9 as an alternative colour in my aural palette, based on its own sonic merits and without trying to sound "keyboardy" at all.
The amount of success I'll have with it will vary based on whether I can achieve my intended results within the machine's (and my own) limitations.
My take/understanding of this: I think it has to be synthesizing the notes in order to be polyphonic. Even the digital octave and pitch-shifting pedals are just using your input as a trigger- both for note values and dynamic envelope. The changes based on input are likely related to the dynamic changes of the parts of the signal it uses to track (ie-the difference in power between the fundamental and harmonics in different signals over time).
Why?
I really want to like this effect, but I'm having trouble understanding where it fits in my world, exactly... Seems like most of the cool sounds involve polyphonic chords (OK - the Green-Eyed Lady intro maybe not...). I don't do much with chords, much less modulating the voicing (I have a hard enough time with intonation -1- note at a time). I get that it's designed for guitar and its range of frequencies, but I can't see using this with a guitar just to get an organ sound when I have a perfectly functional keyboard. Or if I wanted something guitar-based, why I wouldn't just get a guitar-based synth...
I had the same 'what's it for' argument with myself with the Ravish, similarly a one-trick pony kind of effect, but while the B9 depends on polyphony, the sitar is principally a one-note/one-string instrument. And while I never got into the guitar possibilities with it, I have been able to cop a convincing Norwegian Wood intro line on the C string...
Still don't know why it matters what category the B9 falls into...
It might help to not look at music in such a linear fashion and more as a creative open-book- if you feel comfortable on a guitar, why not use it to trigger the sounds of an organ? And why not take it farther than that and do techniques and sounds with it an organ never could? Think of all the possibilities on a guitar not available with organ that can create even more interesting textures- note bending, volume modulation on a note-per-note basis, sliding, hammer-ons/ pull-offs, tonal shifts with a shift of your hand, etcetera. I feel like these ideas are the basis for much of Electro-Harmonix catalog. They can often fall short in many ways, but I don't think they can be faulted for trying to expand the creative possibilities of stringed instruments.
As far as using it bass, I haven't tried it yet, but to me I think it could be great to add thickness and texture at times or expand the potentials of playing bass as a solo or lead instrument.
As far as why not just get a guitar synth? Not a bad idea, though thise all tend to have their own limitations as well, not to mention the need to deal with adding hardware to your guitar and the initial added cost. I've also never heard anything this convincing from a guitar synth, though I haven't really had it on my radar to be honest!
