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Double Bass New Pickup on the Market...

Mike Carr said:
I can't call this a review but I did have a look at the new Shadow pickup about one month ago at the big music expo in Shanghai. It's a trade show type event not unlike the NAMM show in the states, except most of the manufactures represented are Chinese, with some execptions. Never seen so many Chinese traditional stringed instruments in my life, along with many double basses and other western style stringed instruments, ranging from very good (Shen) to very poor quality. The Shadow was mounted on one of the very poor quality basses, a plywood that was not set-up well and had bad strings. The amp provided was very bad too. All this on a very busy and noisy trade show floor. I was dissapointed not be be able to give the pickup a fair try in this environment, so I only played for about a minute or two. It sounded very electric and boomy at the same time, but the bass and amp seemed more to blame than the pickup. It's got a pre-amp with volume control and a tone control that rolls off highs. It sounded best with most off the highs rolled off. I wish they had a better bass to demo it with, because with the bass and amp provided, it sounded pretty bad. As to it's features, the dual elements mounted under the bridge feet reminded me of The Realist, but they appear to be a bit thinner. The look of the tailpiece mounted pre-amp really bothered me, it's encased in an el-cheapo looking plastic case, maybe to save weight. It's vibe is kind of "space-age" looking, in a tacky sort of way. It's not something my bass would want to be seen in public wearing, all that silver colored plastic! Maybe it might be better hidden behind the tail-piece, but then it might be hard to reach the little volume and tone knobs, they are very small. In all fairness though, it might sound great on a proper bass and amp. Too bad they didn't have it presented in that manner at the show that day. Really a shame...


Well...it's been close to year since I posted these comments but I can't recall seeing too much more about this pickup since then. I've been wondering how this pickup might work on a good bass thru a good amp. I've used the Realist with good results, there's one of course on my Czech-Ease. Since returning six months ago to China I bought a Shen Hybrid (my second Shen, my 3/4 Willow is back home in California, missing me as much as I miss it, wow, what a terrific bass, that Willow is!) to use on my gig here. They cost a bit less to buy here in China than in the States, so it wasn't difficult to justify the purchase. I 've been using an Underwood on the Hybrid, I tried my Realist but had trouble getting the bridge feet to sit right after my installation attempt. It's bridge is the non-adjustable type. After sliding the Realist under the E bridge foot in the prescribed way I noticed a bit of a gap under the G foot as well, no good, the bass lost a lot of tone. Now one might suggest that I take the bass to Sam Shen to get adjustors installed or even have the G side bridge foot re-worked, some re-shaping or shims or whatever. But frankly it's a real pain to travel with a big bass from Hangzhou, the city I am currently living and playing in. Sam's factory is in Suzhou and his shop/showroom is in Shanghai. Both cities are at least two hours away by train or bus, car hire would be too expensive. The trains here are often standing room only, and the conditions on board are not unlike what one might imagine in a still developing nation. The poorest of the poor ride these trains, many of them carrying all their posessions with them, from the hinterlands riding the rails in search of a better life in the big cities. All that, and me and my bass! The busses are much better, but then there is the problem of stowing the bass down below with the baggage, and all of it slamming against the basses soft case for the trip's durration. It's not so easy to go see Sam, and still make it back to Hangzhou in time to make my 9:30 pm downbeat at JZ's Club, I play at least six, most often seven nights a week here, leading a terrific jazz trio.
Nevertheless, I've been wanting an under the bridge foot type pickup to try on the Shen, so I've decided to give this new pickup from Shadow a whirl. The only reason in particular being that it's got dual film elements, one per each bridge foot. They both seem to be the same thickness, so it's my hope that they can fit properly under my non-ajustable bridge. My bass and amp are a whole lot better than the BSO and rig that Shadow had available to demo with at last years trade show, some sort of wonky keyboard amp, set up in a real noisy hall. I couldn't get much of a sense of the pickup's capabilities when I saw it there . Fed-Ex is bringing me one tommorow, from Lemur with a sound-post setter too! So I should be ok here in Hangzhou for a while. I'll give a full review once I finish it's installation and have had a few days to mess with it on the gig here. Hope it's all it's cracked up to be!
 
I tried the Shadow tonight for the very first time on my Shen Hybrid and my first impression is that it pretty good! Very simple installation, just lowered the tension of my strings enough to slip the sensors under both feet of the bridge, and attached the pre-amp to the after-lenght of my strings behind the bridge, it's easy, just one screw. Plugged it in and that's it. I had planned on taking my time with it, to come to the gig early in the afternoon one day this week and try to get it "just right" but curiousity got the best of me, so I just put it on a few minutes before my gig this evening! No problem, the whole process took about five minutes. It sounds and seems to work fine, not quite the same as the Realist, this one's got sensors for each side of the bridge, so it seems a bit brighter to me, the highs kind of remind me at bit of how this particular bass sounds when I use the Stat-B, your hear highs, but they don't seem harsh, like with the Underwood. Plenty of lows and mids too, nothing seemed too unatural sounding, all pretty balanced overall. The pre-amp includes a volume and tone control, I think it rolls off some of the highs. Wide open I got plenty of string sound, but not "too much". Closed the control still seems to let enough of the basses full spectrum out to hear pitch and note definition. At about half-way it sounded best to me, with my AI Clarus's tone knobs set flat, thru my Contra EX Speaker. Arco? Wow! The big surprize, sounds very good, quite usable. It just happened that a fine jazz violinist came by my gig to sit in. She just opted to use a stand mounted microphone, thru the PA rather than to bother dealing with using her pickup and a DI. We did a bit of "fours" trading, Me, doing my best effort at jazz bowing and I thought that her tone, and mine were complementary to each other, no, not the same, but I don't think that the Shadow put anything on my sound that was in any way "out of order" if that makes any sense to you. Tomorrow I plan to take some time in the afternoon, when the club is quiet to really get to know this pickup on this bass. It should prove to be quite interesting. But so far, I think this pickup might be pretty good after all! I've decided too that it's pre-amp is not too bad looking on my bass!
 
Mike Carr said:
I tried the Shadow tonight for the very first time on my Shen Hybrid and my first impression is that it pretty good! Very simple installation, just lowered the tension of my strings enough to slip the sensors under both feet of the bridge, and attached the pre-amp to the after-lenght of my strings behind the bridge, it's easy, just one screw. Plugged it in and that's it. I had planned on taking my time with it, to come to the gig early in the afternoon one day this week and try to get it "just right" but curiousity got the best of me, so I just put it on a few minutes before my gig this evening! No problem, the whole process took about five minutes. It sounds and seems to work fine, not quite the same as the Realist, this one's got sensors for each side of the bridge, so it seems a bit brighter to me, the highs kind of remind me at bit of how this particular bass sounds when I use the Stat-B, your hear highs, but they don't seem harsh, like with the Underwood. Plenty of lows and mids too, nothing seemed too unatural sounding, all pretty balanced overall. The pre-amp includes a volume and tone control, I think it rolls off some of the highs. Wide open I got plenty of string sound, but not "too much". Closed the control still seems to let enough of the basses full spectrum out to hear pitch and note definition. At about half-way it sounded best to me, with my AI Clarus's tone knobs set flat, thru my Contra EX Speaker. Arco? Wow! The big surprize, sounds very good, quite usable. It just happened that a fine jazz violinist came by my gig to sit in. She just opted to use a stand mounted microphone, thru the PA rather than to bother dealing with using her pickup and a DI. We did a bit of "fours" trading, Me, doing my best effort at jazz bowing and I thought that her tone, and mine were complementary to each other, no, not the same, but I don't think that the Shadow put anything on my sound that was in any way "out of order" if that makes any sense to you. Tomorrow I plan to take some time in the afternoon, when the club is quiet to really get to know this pickup on this bass. It should prove to be quite interesting. But so far, I think this pickup might be pretty good after all! I've decided too that it's pre-amp is not too bad looking on my bass!

Tomorrow was a while ago... So how is it?
 
Sorry the update took so long. Been traveling, change of gig coming soon. Left mainland China after almost 8 months on gig just last week. In States now on short vacation but back to work soon, this time Hong Kong begining Nov.2 for 3 or 4 months. The Shadow worked great on my carved top Shen. Quite true to the bass's tone and very even sounding string to string and from top to bottom of the bass's range. A very useful pickup. On the Czech-Ease it proved to be a big disapointment though. Real "tubby" sounding. and really brought out the "wolfs" and "hot spots" that live in that bass. This experiance clearly shows that the one size fits all bass pickup notion that some might have us believe does not hold true. Was truly wonderful on the Shen, with the nice carved top, sounded truly bad on the ply C-E. BTW, the I tried the C-E with the Realist, Underwood, Original Upton Rev Solo, Stat- B and finally the Shadow. The Realist is best for that bass, guess that's what Gage had in mind all along. Final thought, The Shadow is a good pickup, if you like the sound of your bass to begin with. But, if there is anything that lacks in your bass, stuff you don't like, the Shadow knows, and makes it all the more apparent when amplified.
 

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