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New player with pinky pain.

So I'm a guitarist just getting into bass and I've been practicing (Rocksmith mostly) and using my pinky instead of my ring finger for two fret gaps lower on the neck as I hear that's usually best practice for bass. Makes sense to me too as the frets are much larger, especially down that end of the bass. I'm getting a bit of stiffness and pain though. I can't play for longer than about 10 minutes or so without it getting a bit weak and sore. I've also noticed I'm feeling it in the side of my arm (same side as the pinky). Is this normal? I use my pinky a lot with guitar so I thought I'd be okay. I've watched so many videos on fretting technique to make sure I'm doing it right as well.
 
I don't know about that pinky thing. Unless your hands are quite small, I'd practise one finger per fret.

I mean, when that's how you want to play in the future, where is the sense in using the pinky at first and then, at some point, decide you are 'there' and re-train yourself to use the ring finger instead?

I recommend newer players that have to develop the technique and muscles to do one finger per fret practise, but start further down the neck where the frets are closer together and play there until it feels comfortable, then moving the whole pattern one fret up and repeat.

When practising bass, there are two kinds of pain. One is of the 'pain is just weakness leaving the body / no pain no gain' sort, and the other is bad. Good pain comes from using your muscles in a proper manner until they get weak. Bad pain comes from bad posture. Check if your wrist is in a comfortable position when playing. When the bass hangs too low, the wrist is bent too much and that will cause the tendons to go haywire.
When the bass hangs too high, your other hand will have to bend too much.
 
Right so it definitely could be the action. I've lowered it to the point where I just get a bit of fret buzz (only acoustically) so I'll see how I go there. Honestly it's not excruciating, I just got a bit worried. I'm definitely taking it slow for now. I also find I notice it more on the G string. It currently has 45-100 strings on it so I might try some 40-100 and see if that helps too.

Also I'm sitting down so no worry about the bass being too low. I never played the guitar low string either.

Oh, also to the point of one finger per fret, I'm more than happy to try that too. I just heard it's a good idea to use the pinky a lot for a guitarist trying bass, especially at the lower frets.
 
My question would be, what is your ring finger doing when you fret with your pinky? A very common technique, especially when playing down near the nut, is to use the pinky and ring finger together. Even those of us who generally use one-finger-per-fret elsewhere on the neck often do this in lower positions.

Another possibility has to do with how your thumb is positioned behind the neck. Check out this oft-posted video:

 
You can done one finger per fret of it's comfortable. Shipping the ring finger comes from one school of double bass where scale length is 41 inches to 44 inches. Bass guitar is 30-36 inches.

The problem I would worry about in your original post is there are no muscles in your pinky past your palm. So any weakness or soreness there make me worry is a tendon or ligament injury.
 
My question would be, what is your ring finger doing when you fret with your pinky? A very common technique, especially when playing down near the nut, is to use the pinky and ring finger together. Even those of us who generally use one-finger-per-fret elsewhere on the neck often do this in lower positions.

Another possibility has to do with how your thumb is positioned behind the neck. Check out this oft-posted video:




I actually have looked at that video, so I think my positioning is right. The pinky and ring finger together sounds perfect! I just gave it a quick go and it definitely feels more comfortable. There's a good chance I'm freaking out over nothing.
 
There's a good chance I'm freaking out over nothing.
that was my first thought!

i'm definitely with the group who would warn against painful playing, but OTOH: using (tiny) muscles in new ways will produce some soreness/sensations in the beginning (especially). knowing when to push and when to rest will come to you, over time, but until it does = some occasional discomfort. and of course, simandl had it right! and hey --- how about that fingerpad soreness? :D

best of luck with your acclimation to an entirely different instrument! :thumbsup:
 
To answer you question: No! Pain, numbness, tingling, fatigue, and strain are not "normal" and should be avoided at all costs. If you are weak and sore after only 10 minutes then something is very wrong, that's a huge red flag. Playing the bass should take about the same amount of force as typing on your computer keyboard, and you should be able to play the bass for an hour (or more) without any fatigue.

Two things you want to check out:
  1. Make sure your bass has a good "set up" with strings that are comfortable for you, and an "action" that is easy to press the strings down to the frets. Again, it should be about the same effort to fret a note as to type a letter on your computer keyboard. If it requires significantly more force than that, then your bass is not well "set up."
  2. Check your technique! A good teacher is really, really useful for not hurting yourself when you're starting off. And/or to supplement your lessons, go on YouTube and study the technique of pro players with long and successful careers. Without seeing any photos or video of your playing, the best advice I can give, is turn up your amp and play with a lighter touch! Your fingers should just lightly touch the strings, no need to "dig in," let your amp do the hard work. If you watch most pro players on stage, they are very relaxed and not working hard at all to play the bass. If their playing style seems aggressive and overactive (like Flea) then usually that's just an act, part of the show.
Here is my immediate short term suggestion (which I know might be controversial):

For right now: If it hurts to fret a note with your 4th (pinky) finger, then shift/move your entire hand, and fret that note with a "stronger" finger instead.

Lots of very successful pro players, including Geddy Lee, Tina Weymouth, and Rocco Prestia, seldom fret with their 4th fingers. There is no "need" to use your 4th finger, to be a successful bass player at the highest artistic level. Especially if trying to use your 4th finger is damaging your body and potentially putting your guitar career at risk! How are you going to fret chords on the guitar if you injure your pinky? Feel free to study players who don't use their 4th finger for now, and then later in your learning process, there will be plenty of time to study players who do fret with their 4th finger.

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As a general learning philosophy, I believe it is more important for beginners to learn something than for beginners to learn everything. "Someone" told you that you are "supposed" to use your 4th finger instead of your 3rd finger (even though it hurts). They are giving you terrible advice in my opinion. Any time an internet stranger gives you random advice always fact-check that advice against YouTube clips of your favorite players. For example if a random stranger tells you, "you need to fret with your pinky" then go on YouTube and study your favorite players: Do they universally follow the random stranger's advice of always fretting with their pinky, or do some pros, in fact, fret with their ring fingers instead?

For now, just pick some easy songs you can play with 1 or 2 fingers, no strain or fatigue, and have fun learning at your own pace, injury-free! For example, every Talking Heads song ever written can be played without using your 4th finger; that should keep you busy for at least a few weeks, right? Songs like "Once in a Lifetime" and "Psycho Killer" are real crowd-pleasers, and there is nothing in your technical skill set holding you back from learning those songs right now, if you choose.

If you can play an easy song like "Mary Had a Little Lamb" in a state of total relaxation, without any stress in your hands or fingers, then I am proud of you: you are on the right track and making good progress. :D
 
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So I'm a guitarist just getting into bass and I've been practicing (Rocksmith mostly) and using my pinky instead of my ring finger for two fret gaps lower on the neck as I hear that's usually best practice for bass. Makes sense to me too as the frets are much larger, especially down that end of the bass. I'm getting a bit of stiffness and pain though. I can't play for longer than about 10 minutes or so without it getting a bit weak and sore. I've also noticed I'm feeling it in the side of my arm (same side as the pinky). Is this normal? I use my pinky a lot with guitar so I thought I'd be okay. I've watched so many videos on fretting technique to make sure I'm doing it right as well.

Sounds like tendonitis

look at left hand technique videos.

Try Arnica, Turmeric, Boswellia also known as Frankincense

maybe a little stretching

and for many night shade veggies, and black pepper are triggers for tendonitis
 
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If it hurts, stop. If you play through pain it becomes chronic. I'd also recommend find a good teacher. I didn't watch the posted video so I'm not commenting on that one specifically, but just remember, anyone can post a video on Youtube, you don't need any credentials, knowledge, experience or common sense. I can tell you that if you've been playing guitar and you can't play the bass for more than 10 minutes without pain, something is wrong.
 
If that pain on the inside of your arm is on or near the bone, you may have what bothered me for over a year: medial epicondylitis, also known as golfer's elbow. Mine was mostly caused by 30 years of riding BMX, but I noticed it most during playing, and it affected my pinky just as you describe.
There are stretches and exercises, you can use something to scrape at the scar tissue, but if you have the means have it looked at. Just make sure you don't let it go too long!
It took months of acupuncture to break up my scar tissue, and now that I can play again I'm weary about getting back on the bike!
 
I am with everyone here about avoiding injury, but also recognize that exercising a muscle sometimes results in mild pain, until the body adapts to the new regime. I would assume, coming from guitar playing, that you know or feel the difference, so it is true that the pinkie and thumb require new strengths when playing the bass.

I’d add a couple of additional suggestions to the ones you have already received in this thread as I also come from the treble side of things:
1) make sure you fretted hand fingers play as close to the fret as possible. If you play more “right in between frets” as you would do with the guitar, it is probable that you are exercising additional pressure
2) economy of motion is super important here; your left (and right) hand should move as it is crawling under enemy fire... unnoticeable.
3) you may want to check your bass dimensions; I started with a 35” 19mm Yamaha (6 strings) I loves, but I joked about the fact that I had to take a bus to travel between strings. A shorter scale instrument (34” or 33”) and closer strings (16.5 mm) make a difference in the long run.​

Welcome to the low end of the sound spectrum. Did anybody told you that for many this is a one way street?
 
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As a lifelong guitarist who switched to bass a few months ago, I bet it is your action. On guitar, I like heavier strings (10-52) and a little higher action. This facilitates heavy picking, bending, and overall control of the strings. I initially tried setting up my basses similarly, and it's awful.

Since then, I've been going for a really straight neck, crazy low action, and playing with a really light attack. Someone on here pointed out that a little fret buzz on a bass is like setting your guitar for edge-of-breakup dirt, so I'm not afraid of a little buzz now.

TL;DR: Set your action as low as you can tolerate, play as lightly as possible, and let your amp do the work.
 
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If that pain on the inside of your arm is on or near the bone, you may have what bothered me for over a year: medial epicondylitis, also known as golfer's elbow. Mine was mostly caused by 30 years of riding BMX, but I noticed it most during playing, and it affected my pinky just as you describe.
There are stretches and exercises, you can use something to scrape at the scar tissue, but if you have the means have it looked at. Just make sure you don't let it go too long!
It took months of acupuncture to break up my scar tissue, and now that I can play again I'm weary about getting back on the bike!
+1 as this being your main concern. Sometimes it's caused by how you hold your arm when you sleep, such as raising it up when you are on your side facing your significant other. Lots of good advice from @Mushroo too.
You'll want to determine the cause of, and resolve, the pain before continuing; as others have said, if you do have tendinitis, it will quickly become chronic if ignored.
 
Pain isn't normal, and you'll do damage if you keep doing it. I'd watch that Adam Neely video a few times and keep that in mind.
I teach martial arts too and have pretty strong hands, one thing I did to gain strength and stamina in my hands is to always carry a squash ball that I squeeze (gently is fine), it builds up strength in all the supporting muscles. Started because of a wrist injury many decades ago, but it's a habit I continue and it helps with everything. I played classical guitar for a long time so the one finger per fret thing is pretty ingrained, and I'm happy doing stretches with my pinky, even on upright.
But if it hurts, stop and reconfigure or you'll inure yourself.