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Double Bass New Tempera Hybrid Oak

#21
jmpiwonka said:
That’s interesting, good example of how different instruments, playing styles and players preferences skew these observations of different pieces of equipment.

I noticed the same with a bunch of AP sound samples Gerold sent me. I mentioned it and he said playing styles has an effect on how his strings sound.

My back was in a devastated condition and I couldn’t even stand. Just so happened Gerold emailed me and we went back and forth for a long time. I had my headphones out and was able to listen and email alot. Still wasn’t able to figure out what to order at that time haha.

This Grenadier clip vs the next one I post. Crump. I liked the idea of the AP being a very mid focused string but was worried about not enough upper frequency information. … and really the best way to know how a string works is try it…unfortunately.




Some good arco at 32 mins.

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Oy. How can anyone enjoy such pompous stuff? Strumming the endpin? I don't know how anyone can make it to the 32 minutes mark. I'm referring to the 2nd clip of course. Grenadier is marvelous.
 
#22
lurk said:
Oy. How can anyone enjoy such pompous stuff? Strumming the endpin? I don't know how anyone can make it to the 32 minutes mark. I'm referring to the 2nd clip of course. Grenadier is marvelous.
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Ahh. A few things are certain with music. There is a huge variety of music, and nobody will ever make music everyone enjoys.
I don’t listen to Stephen Crump’s music, but there are people there to see him play. If I were to walk by that I would listen for a bit. No judgement.

Funny thing this reminds me of. I was listening to a Coltrane record and the liner notes mentioned some jazz critics reviews of the new ensemble with dolphy and how anarchistic and not jazz it was. Haha. I love that era of Coltrane.

In the Nov. 23, 1961, DownBeat, Tynan wrote, “At Hollywood’s Renaissance Club recently, I listened to a horrifying demonstration of what appears to be a growing anti-jazz trend exemplified by these foremost proponents [Coltrane and Dolphy] of what is termed avant-garde music.

“I heard a good rhythm section… go to waste behind the nihilistic exercises of the two horns.… Coltrane and Dolphy seem intent on deliberately destroying [swing].… They seem bent on pursuing an anarchistic course in their music that can but be termed anti-jazz.”
 
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lurk said:
Oy. How can anyone enjoy such pompous stuff? Strumming the endpin? I don't know how anyone can make it to the 32 minutes mark. I'm referring to the 2nd clip of course. Grenadier is marvelous.
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I haven't watched the clip but evidently Vijay Iyer, Mary Halvorson and many other top players seem to like what he is doing.

Are the clips examples of the Tempera Oak strings or Gerold's AP strings?
 
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crd said:
I haven't watched the clip but evidently Vijay Iyer, Mary Halvorson and many other top players seem to like what he is doing.

Are the clips examples of the Tempera Oak strings or Gerold's AP strings?
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The two i posted are both Sonores AP.
I thought the two examples pretty well illustrated how the same strings sounds different on diff instruments with diff players.
That was in reference to LaFaro and I having opposite opinions of the Oak vs The Helix and how they sounded on our basses.
 
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Barcza said:
Based on the videos I’ve seen, I’m fairly convinced that these strings work really well for jazz pizz, but so far I haven’t come across any video that actually demonstrates whether they’re genuinely usable for orchestral bowing.
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Have you emailed Jan-Ole?
I have seen video of him Genssler and one other bass player as a trio.
Jan-Ole seems like a very competent arco player, I would trust his advice.
 
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#31
Ordered and received the Oaks. I had tried a previous prototype of them and I have to say that the final version is a bit different. From the prototype set I only liked the G string as it was thick and very gut-like. The other strings sounded very stuffy and not clear to me. With the new ones I like the D/A/E but the G is thinner, has more sustain and on my bass has a bit of a ‘gritty’ sound that is hard to describe. I only know that it does not sound like the gut G that I am used to, and it does not match the others very well. These strings are pretty loud and I can feel my bass vibrating on my body more than it ever has, which is interesting. Now maybe I need to wait until they are fully broken in - maybe the G will get better - but I am really tempted to put the gut G back on. YMMV of course!
 
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I'm bringing in Stephan to UNR this March for a solo performance. I really dig the Borderlands trio with Kris Davis on piano. I will get to play with her for the Reno Jazz Fest in April! I ordered the Helix strings from Gerold-they should be ready this month! He recommends his tailpiece to go with his strings. Any thoughts regarding this?


 
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Barcza said:
Do you guys know how well the Bassos strings perform for pizzicato?
Or does anyone know how much the Hybrid Oak strings share in terms of characteristics with Bassos?
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As mentioned here I really like also the pizz sound and playability of the Bassos...
LaFaro01

Double Bass Post in thread 'New Tempera Hybrid Oak'

Barcza said:
Actually, I’m not searching for something “gut like”, I like warmer sounding strings, but more important for me the power, volume, bow response for orchestral work, and the sustain for jazz…Low tension is also very important, because my particular instrument…These factors brought me here to Tempera talk, but I always sceptic first….
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I presume, that you should check out and compare the Bassos and the Oaks, if you are are able to... I played the Bassos for about 4 years an my "orchestra" bass, which I'm selling now and the arco properties are excellent... but I also liked the in some...
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LaFaro01

Double Bass Post in thread 'The Best Hybrid Arco/Pizzicato String? Hellicore Hybrids!?'

AGCurry said:
You've used both Tempera Hybrid and Tempera Basso. Question: Are they Hybrids significantly better for pizz than the Bassos? My "orchestra bass" is strung with Bassos, and it does pretty well for jazz pizz. Just wondering if the Hybrids are that much better.
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I really understand, if you like the pizz sound of the Bassos..:) so do I... I wouldn't say, that the Hybrids sound better.. they sound different in some way... more in a "modern" way with more sustain and growl... the Bassos sound more in an "old-fashioned" gut-string-like way, but not "worse"... the pizz-sound of the...
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But I think, that all "other people's experiences" won't help you really at the end.. you'll have to check out it with your instrument and your "sound visions"...:P
 
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LaFaro01 said:
As mentioned here I really like also the pizz sound and playability of the Bassos...
LaFaro01

Double Bass Post in thread 'New Tempera Hybrid Oak'

Barcza said:
Actually, I’m not searching for something “gut like”, I like warmer sounding strings, but more important for me the power, volume, bow response for orchestral work, and the sustain for jazz…Low tension is also very important, because my particular instrument…These factors brought me here to Tempera talk, but I always sceptic first….
Click to expand...
I presume, that you should check out and compare the Bassos and the Oaks, if you are are able to... I played the Bassos for about 4 years an my "orchestra" bass, which I'm selling now and the arco properties are excellent... but I also liked the in some...
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LaFaro01

Double Bass Post in thread 'The Best Hybrid Arco/Pizzicato String? Hellicore Hybrids!?'

AGCurry said:
You've used both Tempera Hybrid and Tempera Basso. Question: Are they Hybrids significantly better for pizz than the Bassos? My "orchestra bass" is strung with Bassos, and it does pretty well for jazz pizz. Just wondering if the Hybrids are that much better.
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I really understand, if you like the pizz sound of the Bassos..:) so do I... I wouldn't say, that the Hybrids sound better.. they sound different in some way... more in a "modern" way with more sustain and growl... the Bassos sound more in an "old-fashioned" gut-string-like way, but not "worse"... the pizz-sound of the...
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But I think, that all "other people's experiences" won't help you really at the end.. you'll have to check out it with your instrument and your "sound visions"...:P
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Thanks!
Yeah, sure, the real solution is to try out myself on my bass! Unfortunatelly, they are not cheap, but I try to get somhow a set of both….
 

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