Do the newer zooms have a stereo detune feature? I.e. plus 20 cents left and minus 20 cents right?
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NEW: ZOOM B2 FOUR...
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The Zoom B2 Four has a "BASS DETUNE". It's mono, and it's dry+one-detuned voice. To get plus and minus you would need to place the same module twice in the path, setting one to +20 (e.g.) and the other to -20. But you can't pan them (grr.)
The B2 has a few nice and interesting ways to stereo-ize the signal, but unfortunately, that specific thing isn't in the B2 Four.
The B2 has a few nice and interesting ways to stereo-ize the signal, but unfortunately, that specific thing isn't in the B2 Four.
And even if you do that, it's taking the signal of the previous effect and shifting that because there's no parallel path. So even if you use one to pitch up and one to pitch down, you'll just end up with one watery- sounding (almost normal) pitch.
Anyone here have a HX Stomp? I have both B2four and the Stomp. I'm noticing many tones on the stomp being "dark" and muddy. I feel like I can get the Zoom to open up a little better. Like, I can get a better Darkglass sound from the zoom then the stomp. The Obsidian 7000 on the stomp just sounds muffled.
That said, they have their own strengths. I'm certainly not getting rid of either of them. Anyone else notice this at all?
That said, they have their own strengths. I'm certainly not getting rid of either of them. Anyone else notice this at all?
Ooh can you post your settings? I've got a few attempts but the best Darkglass sound I've gotten from the Zoom relies heavily on the MXR di+ sim.
In response to your question, I don't have a HX, but Nate Navarro and Ian Allison both get great results. Janek Gwizdala also recently made an hour long video about how to really dial in HX stomp tones.
I bought IAM presets and I do like them, but the amp sims and grit are pretty dark and wooly. I'll look through my preset I named Dumptruck. It relies completely on the MXR di+ sim. It's close, but not exact. It does sound great in a mix, however. It's far and away better than anything on the HX Stomp. My opinion, of course, but my opinions are facts....so there's that....
Hello, I contacted Zoom about the B2 Four Android and Windows software, and there is no information on availability. We need to show our necessity, so if every B2 Four onwer contact them requesting it, we will have some change to edit our patches more easily.
Ricardo
Ricardo
Please add the details on what to do. I will follow you on this. Thanks.
What address did you contact Zoom at? I will be happy to share with them that the key reason I'm NOT buying a Zoom B4 is the Apple-only software.
(I'm trying to extricate myself from Apple's ecosystem, not further entrench it.)
(I'm trying to extricate myself from Apple's ecosystem, not further entrench it.)
It's good to see more Zoom users with the same need. I think the way is to send an email to 2 addresses at least, [email protected] and [email protected] . If you live outside of North America or Japan, I recommend sending it to your local distributor as well. About the message I find it interesting to ask about the availability of Android and Windows software, as it is a 2023 product with no other software option other than IOS, in a world where around 70% use Android and Windows. You can try to reunite more help from other forums or groups.
I'm not familiar with the nuts and bolts, but I wonder if Zoom could release some sort of open source SDK for developers to be able to access the units via other platforms (android, mac, windows, linux).
At one level, an editor could offer only the things that you can already do from the device's hard controls like-- patch select, change parameters, save parameter sets, and the built-in preset-management options. That is still complex as each module has different screens & controls. A bigger project would be to provide more complete patch management features-- cloud storage of individual or multiple patches, and load functions. Beyond that, all sharing could be all done without the need of any additional features. I wonder if some MIDI i/o options could be accessed.
Perhaps Zoom would consider crowd-funding the Android version. Android devices are ubiquitous and inexpensive. Zoom could set the funding bar pretty high. What amount might someone be willing to kick down for this? $5? $10?
This would require some users to be on-fire enough to go rattle the cages on guitar & keyboard forums.
Ultimately, Zoom will resist making an android version. As I mentioned previously, development is tricky, they'll get bad reviews for poor user experiences that aren't Zoom's fault; and they'll experience a massive flood of support requests that they may not have the resources to handle.
OTOH, if Zoom could just be convinced to release some technical details to allow some tech-nerds to build something-- and 3rd parties could provide ample warnings "USE THIS SOFTWARE AT YOUR OWN RISK!" and "THIS SOFTWARE IS NOT SUPPORTED BY ZOOM" and "PLEASE DIRECT BUG REPORTS AND COMPLAINTS TO [email protected]"
Another aspect of this is longevity. A graph could show how many of their products are in active use out in the field over time, and how many users are accessing the editors over time (vs just getting their presets dialed in and not changing them much), and will it be worth it for them to extend operability of editors over a longer stretch that affects relatively few users.
At one level, an editor could offer only the things that you can already do from the device's hard controls like-- patch select, change parameters, save parameter sets, and the built-in preset-management options. That is still complex as each module has different screens & controls. A bigger project would be to provide more complete patch management features-- cloud storage of individual or multiple patches, and load functions. Beyond that, all sharing could be all done without the need of any additional features. I wonder if some MIDI i/o options could be accessed.
Perhaps Zoom would consider crowd-funding the Android version. Android devices are ubiquitous and inexpensive. Zoom could set the funding bar pretty high. What amount might someone be willing to kick down for this? $5? $10?
This would require some users to be on-fire enough to go rattle the cages on guitar & keyboard forums.
Ultimately, Zoom will resist making an android version. As I mentioned previously, development is tricky, they'll get bad reviews for poor user experiences that aren't Zoom's fault; and they'll experience a massive flood of support requests that they may not have the resources to handle.
OTOH, if Zoom could just be convinced to release some technical details to allow some tech-nerds to build something-- and 3rd parties could provide ample warnings "USE THIS SOFTWARE AT YOUR OWN RISK!" and "THIS SOFTWARE IS NOT SUPPORTED BY ZOOM" and "PLEASE DIRECT BUG REPORTS AND COMPLAINTS TO [email protected]"
Another aspect of this is longevity. A graph could show how many of their products are in active use out in the field over time, and how many users are accessing the editors over time (vs just getting their presets dialed in and not changing them much), and will it be worth it for them to extend operability of editors over a longer stretch that affects relatively few users.
JMHO....on all counts....don't hold your breath.
Hope I'm wrong, but there's nothing in Zoom's history that I'm aware of where they seem to take much interest in developing anything beyond what they give you at release, unless otherwise explicitly stated by Zoom. This is especially true regarding user feedback driving things like broadening the platforms for their editors.
More likely to see an unauthorized 3rd party come up with a hack than see Zoom respond to requests regarding their editor platforms. Again, hope I'm wrong.
Hope I'm wrong, but there's nothing in Zoom's history that I'm aware of where they seem to take much interest in developing anything beyond what they give you at release, unless otherwise explicitly stated by Zoom. This is especially true regarding user feedback driving things like broadening the platforms for their editors.
More likely to see an unauthorized 3rd party come up with a hack than see Zoom respond to requests regarding their editor platforms. Again, hope I'm wrong.
This is 100% spot on.
I suppose I was both musing, and humoring those suffering Android FOMO. But jimfist swings the mighty hammer of truth.
No harm in trying to shake the trees over at Zoom. I tried a while ago and got nowhere.
So wait. There's Android software for the G2 four but not the B2 four? Does this not work for the bass version?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.zoom.HandyGuitarLabforG2FOUR
Not an owner. I have a B1x four but if this is true, this is one more reason not to upgrade. Really hope zoom doesn't go the way of everyone else and treat bass players as a second rate instrument. Already sucks that companies like line 6 release a dual purpose device but heavily load it with guitar stuff. If you pay $700 for a device, it's kinda a slap in the face to spend another 5 to get the models you need.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.zoom.HandyGuitarLabforG2FOUR
Not an owner. I have a B1x four but if this is true, this is one more reason not to upgrade. Really hope zoom doesn't go the way of everyone else and treat bass players as a second rate instrument. Already sucks that companies like line 6 release a dual purpose device but heavily load it with guitar stuff. If you pay $700 for a device, it's kinda a slap in the face to spend another 5 to get the models you need.
Following up on my last post. I couldn't find a reliable link for the Handy Lab for G2 Four APK (my android devices are Google-free zones). Would someone here be willing to install the Google Play version of Handy Lab for G2 Four to test and see if it truly works for the B2 Four?
