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Double Bass Newbie-Amp recommendation for a school

I looking to get a DB amp for a music school program. It is a large music-only school that has 3 big bands and 6 jazz combos. The school currently has is a Peavey bass guitar amp and it sounds awful. I know nothing about DB amps other than that we own an AI Contra and like it very much.

If I could get some advice on what to purchase I would be most appreciative. Here are the requirements

1) It would stay in the rehearsal hall 99% of the time and that room seats 150 people and is also used for jazz combo concerts so it should be an amp that sounds good in that type of room.

2) There are 6-8 different DB players that use it during the school year, so probably 6-8 different pickups are being used and none of them use a pre-amp

3) 5 times a year the school does concerts in larger venues approximately 1,500 seats and they don't use house speakers, it is just the acoustic sounds of the big band, plus an amp for the DB and an amp for the guitar. So the amp should be able to do a respectable job in a venue like that and be able to compete with a 15-piece big band. I realize that it won't be perfect but it should sound at least pretty good.

4) Size and weight doesn't matter because it is stationary 99% of the time and when they do the remote concerts there are volunteers who load up the gear in a truck and move it on carts. It does get moved around a bit in the rehearsal room so it shouldn't be wildly huge, but I know that carrying it to gigs is a normal consideration but it shouldn't apply in this case.

5) One last thing, the practice stage is not solid so I'm guessing that anything downfiring like the AI contra might cause the whole stage to rumble, but it is just my uneducated guess.

My son is a DB player at this school and will be there for the next 5 years and selfishly, I want to hear the DB players sound as good as possible, so I was going to buy this amp and donate it to the school so the DB players can enjoy this amp long after we are gone.

I am most intrested reproducing the acoustic sound of the bass as closely as possible, and having adequate power for the larger halls.

Thank you in advance for your help.
 
I'll make a suggestion FWIW. Not exactly mainstream (GK, SWR, etc., etc. ...).

Euphonic Audio iAMP 200 C Wizzy combo​
I have used one of these for the last several years for almost all my upright gigs and for the occasional slab gig. Works great. Sounds great. More flexibility than I actually need - I run the EQ flat and don't use the presets (w/ DB). The Passive input is high impedance 1 meg ohm, so it would probably work well with a variety of piezo pickups (except maybe some of the much older p/u models). My Rev Solo sounds real nice (IMO of course), no preamp, EQ bypassed.

The 200 watt rating is deceiving. The speaker is very efficient, so you will get the most out of those 200 watts. And the voicing of the speaker is very present through the mids. So it won't get lost or sound muddy in bigger rooms, and it will cut through a dense mix well to help ensure that the bass can still be heard in those big band settings.

These combo amps were taken out of production fairly recently, so maybe you could get a deal somewhere at a "close out" price. I might could recommend some places to check if you are interested. If that doesn't pan out, EA is still building a higher powered version called the iAMP 500 C combo.

Regardless of what you choose, thank you genuinely for your willingness to provide such an generous level of support to the music department at your son's school.
 
I've got one and I agree. (EA 200Wizzy Combo) Great amp for what you described. I love mine.

A somewhat cheaper option that won't work quite as well, but would still work quite well is an SWR California Blonde. You could find a used one for about $450.

You're a good dad.

-tk
 
The only brand that I have heard is the AI Contra combo so it is my only point of reference. How do the Wizzy combos compare in terms of sound quality and power to fill a room?

Thanks for all the help I have received so far.
I have not heard the latest version of the Contra/Coda, the Series III. I have only heard the older Series I and II. But folks who are familiar with the various models have stated that the Series III are louder and more powerful than their predecessors. That said, there are others who seem to feel that the down-firing design does not convey as much perceived loudness as a comparably powered front-facing cab. There’s also the matter of speaker efficiency. The Wizzy is very efficient, meaning it will go louder given the same input than a less efficient speaker.

The EA cabinets and the Wizzy in particular are good at cutting or punching through a dense mix and projecting well. The AI cabs create a very natural and somewhat diffused sound. Great for DB. Different approaches, different tone. Both excellent. Depends what you like.

You could also consider getting a separate amp and speaker cab too. Here is a thread about the AI Clarus and Wizzy cab for example. No problems with power or volume noted here. Perhaps you could find either one component or both of them used.

I also found a thread here that was kind of similar to your last question. Contra / Coda versus Wizzy. A variety of opinions expressed. I believe the fellow who started that thread is delighted with his Series III Coda. Just like Troy and me and our Wizzy combos ...

Enjoy ...