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Nice Clean Studio Space (NOT!)

Quote: “windows, stones and no treatment at all.”


It’s worth reflecting that many of the most successful recordings ever made, were tracked in studios that had no treatment at all or at most, very basic treatment indeed.

One of the reasons historically that particular studio designer’s approaches to acoustical treatment, especially in control rooms and indeed why specific monitors were chosen. Had only a certain amount to do with acoustics per say, more to do with available budgets.

That the advent of widespread international travel, with artists, producers and recording engineers using a variety of studios in a given country or trekking from continent to continent, meant that forms of standardisation of production from location to location were highly desirable.

Facilitating the subjective preferred choices of artists and producers.


One reason studio live room’s with no or little in the way of acoustics worked well, is because that typically they featured what I would call a well-balanced, acoustical environment.

In other words, they were not too lively or too dead acoustically. Their environment did not impose any acoustic extremes onto the recordings made in them. As such they were readily adaptable if required.

There is a particular producer who owns his own facility whose approach I admire greatly. Because his studio features particular areas which are are lively and others that are dead. Other areas that can easily be adapted to suit specific requirements of the moment, and certain areas that are extremely lively or extremely dead.

In other words, he had maximised the versatility of his recording space. Whilst you might think well that's great for him but I don’t possess his resources, you might be pleasantly surprised what you can do in a room with hard surfaces to reduce liveliness with carpets on the floor and walls, gobo’s etc.

Even a Piano can be made to sound different simply by placing a carpet underneath. Even a Guitar can be made to sound, more lively by placing a 8x4 sheet of plywood down, placing the guitarists seat on one end and the mics boom on the same sheet.

These are just a couple of ideas, but they work. (Gordon Giltrap uses the latter). I am sure that with some time and thought it would be possible for everyone here to find ways of optimising the possibilities of employing versatility to their acoustic spaces, according to the needs of each particular recording.

Rather than their acoustics to a pre-determined goal of exacting measurement, fine though that aspiration might be, as is the typical mantra of enthusiasts.

My pals and I usually clap our hands in whatever acoustical space we enter. That usually tells us most of what we need to know.


I appreciate that some very knowledgeable folk may totally disagree.

I don’t mind people disagreeing, as long as they are mature enough to disagree without being disagreeable.

One person I was privileged to learn a great deal from, owned a very good studio nearby, a short drive from my home.

Sadly, he is no longer with us as he and his wife died tragically. But I am including a link explaining the acoustical approach in his studio.

It rather went totally against the perceived wisdom of the day, so in many senses, accords with some of the comments that might be questioned.

I hope it will enable those interested enough to read it, greater insight into this subject, and encourage them to maximise the best possible use of whatever facilities they have at their disposal.

The Mill Studio - Technical Details - Acoustics (themillrecordingstudio.com)

Especially note the importance of reverb tails.

Flatness of room response, and the typical expectations of the human ear and brain being met.

It belonged to the late Gus Dudgeon whose recordings will be familiar to you. If you view the photo gallery you will note the many windows and walls about the control room.

Gallery page (themillrecordingstudio.com)

I trust this will of assistance to you all and wish you every possible success in your recording endeavours.

Gus Dudgeon - Wikipedia
 
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Interesting aspects, but I have to say - out of my personal experience - that if you want to make good vocal or instrument recordings with a large condenser mic, there is nothing worse than room reverberation in average or small sized rooms, esp. if there are non-treated walls or even worse windows.
I still would like to have his room as a studio:-)

Because his studio features particular areas which are are lively and others that are dead

This is an important hint. Some people take a small handheld recorder like those from Zoom and simple make test-records in different areas of their room(s). Works well. Even in non-treated rooms there will always be areas that sound much better than others.
 
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Pretty much how things usually look. I guess the mess isn't too bad. Mainly could just stand to get some more cable ties and tidy up the cords a bit.

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My music studio is also an audiovisual production studio ... and my office for the day job. I track straight into a Zoom F8 solid state field recorder to keep gear simple. There are times when this room looks like a disaster -- cables, mic stands, boom stand, green screen, lights hanging from the ceiling, cameras, etc etc. Generally I feel more creative and productive when things are more like these photos. Everyone's different.

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Same here. I hate working in any professional, project or home studio and it’s messy. Instant vibe killer for me.
I've never maintained a neat professional, project or home studio environment, hence I never worked in a space that's not messy. So I really don't know what it would be like. For me, it hasn't hindered me at all in my professional career. I have a meeting with a co-worker this afternoon that is a neat freak. I asked him to meet in his office because it blows my mind going in there. It is like an artificial landscape to me. We laugh about it all the time. :laugh:
 
Except he didn't say that. Or at least he didn't say it until it appeared on an internet meme in the 2000's. It is unsupported, not attributed to him nor included in any official Einstein biography or official quote reference. Like so many internet agenda memes, the quote has been shown to be an amalgamation of similar and synonymic quotes. This one is a reference to the 'as within so without' perspective, of which I happen to agree. Either way, right or wrong, profound or obvious it isn't Einstein.

Picture of Einstein's desk:

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I keep my practice room/studio very neat. A few days ago I was moving stuff around when my left foot augered in (I have M.S. related foot drop). In the next few seconds I found myself flat on the floor along with a P-bass, Carvin J type, Ibanez jazz box and Egnator tweeker head. Only damage was a small nick on the Ibanez and a sore as hell back. I can trip on air, don’t need any cables to complicate matters.
 
Quote: “In the next few seconds I found myself flat on the floor along with a P-bass, Carvin J type, Ibanez jazz box and Egnator tweeker head.”


I’m so sorry to hear of your difficulty.

My sister suffers from M/S so I deeply empathise for you as I do for her.

Looking at your avatar picture I note the floors are very smooth and wondered whether carpeting might be more beneficial to aid the prevention of such occurrences?

In any case, I send you my very best wishes.

Stay Safe!


Quote: “Picture of Einstein's desk:”


I used to belong to a committee that would receive correspondence from a distinguished, amateur scientist who for decades, presented the BBC astronomical programme “The Sky at Night!”

He was a brilliant, globally renowned scientist and a wonderfully talented musician, who played piano and xylophone. He was also, a very kind, friendly person. His name was Sir Patrick Moore.

Queen guitarist and fellow astronomer Brian May was a good friend who appeared on his programmes. Brian bought his Selsey home for him, and one time arrived a hour late at Abbey Rd. for a recording session with Hank Marvin, because he had been up all night, finishing a book, that they were co-writing on astronomy.

To give you an idea of the sheer breadth of Sir Patricks life. As far as is known, he is the only person ever to have met Orville Wright the first aviator, Yuri Gagarin, the first man in space and Neil Armstrong the first man on the moon. I remember him commenting that he met Werner von Braun at a conference here. Werner von Braun was the brains behind Germany’s WII rocket programme, and later, behind the American space rocket programme.


I don’t know if you ever wonder what people like Einstein and Patrick Moore get up to, in order to amuse and entertain themselves when they are attending scientific conferences like the one, I alluded to earlier, that took place here, that Einstein attended?

They’re surrounded by extremely discrete but tight security, but have freedom within the confines of their immediate, designated safe sites. So along with other scientists contributing to the conference, cleared for security, they tend to provide their own entertainment, at small receptions and gatherings.


Einstein was a talented violinist and because he had just been playing at a private concert, of the type we often have here, still had his violin with him, at the reception afterward.

Einstein usually played Mozart on such occasions, but being pushed into playing again for those around, said he needed an accompanist. Sir Patrick was a good pianist and so, Einstein played Saint-Saens’ “Swan” to the graceful piano accompaniment.

From all Sir Patrick has conveyed about Albert Einstein, he was a most delightfully charming person to meet, full of life and lots of fun. With a penchant for amusement and hilarity, thoroughly enjoying amusing others he met from time to time.

The pictures are of Einstein with Sir Patrick Moore

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Sir Patrick with Brian May.

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Picture of Einstein's desk:

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?? What's the point? Einstein was messy? It's still not his quote. And it still does not equate 'messiness' with high-intelligence.

It's a typical modern meme and agenda to justify or validate excessive disorganization and messiness by those who prefer that method of working. The irony is that those who prefer an 'organized' mind... or desk etc...don't care how you work, they just prefer a different approach. Einstein was very studied and proficient in math and physics, but he was very poor in most other things (and had a hard time clapping on the 2 and 4 in essence). Like countless of other studies of 'genius' (including musicians) he himself believed his own adeptness was a result of his constant study and persistence.
 
You're entitled to taking it personally and getting all worked up, but discussing the merits of a meme is just not very interesting.

Relax, it's the internet.
LOL...it was quoted as truth to validate a post. I simply called it out. And...I see you are a fresh new member, but this is a discussion board on the internet. Its for discussing...stuff . If you yourself find the content of the thread uninteresting, don't reply. I like the topic and the history.
 
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One could hypothesise that in regard to this thread at least and probably far beyond, a clear division of opinion lies with the following:


Those with home/project/producer studios who for professional or semi-professional reasons, find it necessary to invite and service clients to their recording facility.

It needs to be an inviting, tidy, uncluttered space that new clients will feel comfortably happy to work in, from the moment they step through the door.


Those with home/project/producer studios who as serious amateurs have usefully equipped facilities that exist purely or mainly to fulfil their own personal requirements, and those of their musical friends and band members.

Fully employed elsewhere, they have less available time to focus attention on their music, studio and its tidiness and in the main, have only themselves to please, along with close friends most of the time.


As a simple, overall general summery, that appears to reasonably delineate where and why any differences exist.

Where the hypothesis breaks down, is if one equates the first scenario with outstanding accomplishment, over the second.

Because of the notably outstanding accomplishments of individuals like Einstein, Doll, Hawking and many untidy, acclaimed leading lights.


That is the relevant, salient point.


Whilst there has been scientific research which put simply, denotes clean desks with healthy lifestyles, conventional and generous personalities.

The research also denotes that messy, untidy desks can particularly symbolise stimuli in advantageous progress, highly creative ideas, encouraging new thinking.


Whilst I happily accept such scientific research.

I do wonder whether simple differences in personality exist, (solidly established psychological research use personality traits as performance predictors) which when coupled to the differing circumstances, situations and pressures individuals find themselves in, provide clear divergences, outwardly expressed in working environments.

The neatness or untidiness, a result of inward personality traits and external pressures.


For the record, I absolutely belong, firmly in the neat and tidy camp.

Until I am busy to a point, where such personal matters become wholly secondary and in the way of my central purpose.

But even so, prefer things to be neat and tidy, and when producing or working as a musical director, take an overarching approach, prioritising safety.

As at times, over a hundred and fifty musicians and singers have been involved in certain events, and one event a little while back, involved over twenty miles of cables for an outside broadcast.


So, I am totally in the neat and tidy corner and all the more so as the size of project or event, increases.

For, someone has to take and own personal responsibility for everyone involved to ensure they are all safe in their working environment.

But experience of people like Doll, Hawking and others, reveal there is far, far more to this subject than can be reduced to strict regulations, simple codes of conduct, or even basic studio protocols, I am completely in favour of.


We crave for simple answers and solutions to life’s issues, but they are invariably far more complex and multi-layered when properly analysed and understood.

Here are a couple of movies that illustrate the difficulties that messiness presents us with.

Mr Men, Mr Fussy - YouTube

Space | Brian May | Oxford Union - YouTube
 
Some real nice spaces here. Thanks for sharing all.

apologies though OP, your space is quite grim. It only needs a once over with a litter picker and a handful of cable ties.
A shovel and garbage dumpster would also help :-)

For me, it is a time thing. That is what I tell myself anyway. I live on a nice street in Western Mass. My neighbors spend hours roughly each day mowing and in the fall blowing leaves. Their landscapes look like golf course. Mine? I mow when the grass is long and blow leaves maybe twice a year - mostly after the late-falling oaks are done. I just blew the last of them yesterday. Done. Just the way I roll.

My studio and other work office? I'd love to be able to stop time for a couple of days and do nothing but clean, organize and put things away. That is my fantasy. I just don't have the time - and - it really isn't that high on my list of things to do. In the end, it doesn't really effect how much work I get done.

I will challenge myself today and clean a little and post a picture - just for fun.