No Fog allowed in some small venues? (Light show)

[trevcda]

No , Nobody has actually had any relative advice re: fire systems, thx for the attention though everybody.

Actually the concern is more for doing installs than getting random lighting bookings.

Two types of detectors; particulate sensors and rise of heat. The former will be set of by fog, haze, smoke, etc. The later must see a rise of temperature with in a given amount of time. If we are lucky enough to be in on the planning stage of an install we will bring this up with the owner and discuss is with the fire people. If we're called after the venue is built we will verify the type of detector being used, present the owner with the option of replacing particulate with heat or going without atmospheric effects. In some areas, there are no options and you must go with local code to keep the AHJ happy and get the occupancy signed off on.

I heard of a story where a restaraunt was serving sizzling fajitas to the table and the particulate sensors kept setting of the fire alarm. As they should. The owners had either quit serving fajitas tableside or replace their detector. The replaced and haven't had a problem since. The reason they are such sticklers about it is that the false alarm ordinances are are getting so strict and repeated non-compliance can result in some steep fines and even non-response, which would basically shut a venue down.

 

[c2thej2theizzo]

thx AndyLES

& carl h. - re: post2 (thought you were kidding at first)

I suspected a very little haze just near the stage would not trigger them. I tried to convince the owners to let me come in and test hazers and phasers only and on a day that they are dark, - and call in to the fire department to letem know we are testing, but there are bell alarms and elevators etc... more that are connected that have to be disabled and they dont want to hire a tech either, so I guess they are just too skiddish to try anything but replacing the detectors and having it inspected and approved by the Fire dept. - I think they are afraid they may loose licence or something for purposely producing smoke. As you know if clubs have just a few incidents, fights, under age drinking etc.. they can get shut down, Many cities have very little tolerance for any type of problem at a club.

 

[guy n. cognito]

thx AndyLES

& carl h. - re: post2 (thought you were kidding at first)

I suspected a very little haze just near the stage would not trigger them. I tried to convince the owners to let me come in and test hazers and phasers only and on a day that they are dark, - and call in to the fire department to letem know we are testing, but there are bell alarms and elevators etc... more that are connected that have to be disabled and they dont want to hire a tech either, so I guess they are just too skiddish to try anything but replacing the detectors and having it inspected and approved by the Fire dept. - I think they are afraid they may loose licence or something for purposely producing smoke. As you know if clubs have just a few incidents, fights, under age drinking etc.. they can get shut down, Many cities have very little tolerance for any type of problem at a club.

Well, maybe. They could also be concerned about inducing panic in club-goers that might think the club is on fire.

There are so many great light effects out there that fog just isn't as important as it used to be. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I went in a live music venue and saw it used. We had a guitarist that tried to use it in a club once..........without the owners permission. We didn't even get to finish our set and we can never play there again.