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Non-Slapsters Out there?

@Slax:

Slap It is a great book. I've been going through it.

It's funny because I was really sucking at slap until all of a sudden last night I stopped missing slaps and my pops aren't late anymore. It's like my right hand all of a sudden got it. Now I can actually slap along with tracks 30-35 which I really couldn't do before.

I do agree that slap for the most part is useless but can be really groovy if you're not throwing in 16th triplet mutes and sounding like a drummer. I'm glad I can actually do that now, but I see that as a tool in my toolkit that will remain in its packaging for a while. But yesterday I was creating my own groovy slap jams that weren't all insane like flea and it had some good groove to it. I can definitely see some use in that more laid back slap style.

Not going to lie though, it is alot of fun.
 
Sturm-
Never learned to slap for several reasons.
1- Don't know where I'd use it at my gigs.
2- A lot of woodsheding for very little application (I'd rather have better theory/melody/technique).
3- I find it very annoying to listen to after a few seconds.
4- I just don't have the coordination!!
 
Why are most of the posts in this thread attributing slapping with wankery and showing off? It is just another technique or way to play the bass. People can play fingerstyle badly!!!!:eyebrow:

With the music I play I use slap about 15% of the time. The rest of the 85% I use my fingers. But that 15% that I do use is tasteful and enhances the song that I am playing it in. I never play with a pick and at one point I thought it was useless and only for bassists that thought they were guitarists. Now I have grown and realize that it is just another tool for the box and now I carry a pick in my gig bag for the right oppurtunity to whip it out.

It is in fact a sign of a versatile bassist to use various techniques to get the point across.
 
I thrown in the odd slap or pop in a turn around or fill ... but I never tried to do the non-stop whackity-whackity-whackity-whackity stuff. It's boring to listen to and just doesn't interest me much. I can admire the manual dexterity required to become a Mark King sound alike, but it just isn't for me.
 
As someone who was an impressionable high school student in 1991 (the era of Flea and Les Claypool, not to mention Robert Trujillo, Norwood Fisher, Muzz Skillings, Billy Gould, Stu Hamm a new guy named Victor...) I worked hard to become an above average slapper. When I started working in bands in my 20s, there didn't seem to be much call for it. Plus, Wooten raised the bar with all his fancy double-thumbing stuff which I couldn't (still can't) do.

However, when I got into my 30s, I got called to sub for a few shows with this guy who did a mix of roots rock/RnB originals and covers. One of the songs they did was "Pop Life" by Prince. Not hard to play, but a player had better have the basics of slap technique down if they want to play it right. Not long after that, I got into a cover band that wanted to do Chilli Peppers songs. At the 2nd rehearsal, I was aked if I could slap.

Even Billy Sheehan had to get his slap chops together when playing in Steve Vai's band to play the song "Blue Powder".

The point is, you don't have to be Wooten or Flea, but a working bass player should at least have the basics down, just to be able to have that tool in their belt if they need to go there.
 
i dont ever slap and pop. not because i dont like it, i think it sounds great. i just never really learned to do it.
i'm self taught, so i got into more fingerstyle and pick playing when i started. most bass players i listen to dont slap or pop either, so i never really was exposed to it or needed to use it. ive played in bands that do either punk, reggae, dub, or rock, so there never was a practical application for it.
i also have only played in trios, so i had more of a chance to harmonize and play melody, and im able to express that in the greatest sense with my fingers.
i would love to learn to do some slappin and poppin someday soon though! cause if it calls for it now im in trouble.
 
I thrown in the odd slap or pop in a turn around or fill ... but I never tried to do the non-stop whackity-whackity-whackity-whackity stuff. It's boring to listen to and just doesn't interest me much. I can admire the manual dexterity required to become a Mark King sound alike, but it just isn't for me.

+1 for me too! I like to throw in an odd pluck or slap once in a while if the music is really begging for it, otherwise, just not my thing, besides, Victor, Marcus and Stanley are the experts.
 
The point is, you don't have to be Wooten or Flea, but a working bass player should at least have the basics down, just to be able to have that tool in their belt if they need to go there.

Add Me'Shelle slapping on fretless sometimes, blues great Johhny B Gayden slappin' it silly on a Five or Six in blues bands, etc.
 
I was never really able to get into slapping/popping that much, the sound it creates just sounds empty to me. I now just use the occasional pop for a strong accent, I prefer creating intricate, yet subtle, counterpoint and syncopation in what's going on. I always feel like I'm bringing too much attention to myself if I slap, and I usually only feel acclomplished if only the bass players (and people listening specifically to the bassline for whatever reason) take notice of my playing. Although I don't regret learning the basics of the technique, this is how I learned to effectively use dead notes and applied it to my normal fingerstyle.
 
It's just one those techniques that are the toolbox. I found it most useful when playing alone and for showing off. I haven't been in a band or group were it fit to play slap style.

Playing slap style is pretty fun and I tend to play slap style a lot since I'm not in a band.
 
I want to learn slapping and popping for futur bass solo's with my band, but what i can do now is fine for what i need to do. I mainly just use a bassline that adds a bit of a bass to the guitar riffs, but add extra picked notes to add to the riffs and music. I also use chords on my bass when possible, usually for a solo or an intro riff. My influences are Nikki Sixx from Motley Crue and Lemmy from Motorhead
 
Wow---I had no idea that my post would cause 4 pages of comments. Great discussion by everyone, I enjoyed reading every one of them. I see lots of common themes among everyone---that it is fun to do, but not particularly practicable.

It can have its place in the right context of the song.---Chanson

I love to slap and pop and that technique can be incorporated into the music styles that I play(Gospel, Urban P&W, Smooth jazz, R&B). It is just another way to play a bass that is all. ---Robear22

I just consider it a tool in the toolbox. Like a punctuation mark. Thumpin' too much is like typing in all caps. ---Hayde

It all boils down to what the song calls for,and,it makes my "toolbox"that much bigger,having all those styles of play to fall back on. ---Millsbass5

There are many other quotes from others that echo the sentiment that it is a good tool to have, if you are going to be a versatile, marketable player. I agree with this---if I were in a cover band or aspired to session work, then I would definitely require myself to get this technique. But, since I do neither, nor do I aspire to those levels, I have no motivation to learn it. The incessant "wackity-wack" that many of the practitioners do is not interesting to listen to.

But, when it is used within the context of a chord progression or a specific melodic idea, it can be a very interesting variation---guys like Hamm and Wooten (among others) have the knowledge of music theory in order to carry "wackity-wack" from the senseless to the sensible, as echoed by the following:

The only context I enjoy it in is Leigh Gorman's bass playing in Bow Wow Wow, and that's merely one of many styles and techniques he uses expertly, and it's never at the expense of an actual bassline for a tune. ---lunarpollen

What if I slap and pop a counter melody. Or, how about if I were to slap a melody, all the while popping a counter melody. ---Audiophage

What makes guys like Victor and Marcus so great is they can do the technique and stay in the groove. I cannot do it well enough to have the technique and stay in the groove so I don't because groove trumps all else. ---kirkm24

And these guys pretty much sum up my thoughts on the style:

...but I never tried to do the non-stop whackity-whackity-whackity-whackity stuff. It's boring to listen to and just doesn't interest me much. I can admire the manual dexterity required to become a Mark King sound alike... ---TheoFly

I was never really able to get into slapping/popping that much, the sound it creates just sounds empty to me. I now just use the occasional pop for a strong accent, I prefer creating intricate, yet subtle, counterpoint and syncopation in what's going on. ---Bassist324

Variety is the spice of life, as the saying goes. Too much of the same thing over and over can cause interest to wane. As far as my playing style goes, I prefer to use other tools to break monotony, such as rhythym changes, variations in use of a scale to create a line, switch lines to modes that are compatible with the major or minor scale in which the song is written, use of dyads and triads and arpeggiation---in short, I depend more on the elements of music rather than gimmickery, such as Slap n Pop. I often feel that so many are learning the rote movements of SnP, rather than the more difficulty of learning the structure of music (ie, music theory) and use that knowledge to build a line that complements the production of the other ensemble members. Some others seem to share the same idea:

I realized that I used slapping to hide a lack of real fretboard harmonic knowledge. I could slap a wicked riff, so why know more than pentatonic? So I decided to forgo slapping this time around and really focus on learning the harmonic possibilities of the instrument. ---kesslari

However, as I have gotten older, I find that less is more when it comes to bass. Playing the right note at the right time is so much more effective that slapping like Flea. ---Matt Dean

The following kinda rings true with me:

I keep being reminded of Michael Rhodes words:
"Your primary role is to serve the song and be beautifully anonymous in it. Bass is the power of anonymity.” There is much to be learned from those simple words. ---Billoetjen

How many basslines are you somewhat aware of when listening to a particular group, but play the bass lines differently, and the character of the entire song changes? I know that with a lot of the Beatles songs, if that bassline is played differently, the song becomes only vaguely familiar.

Basically, for all of the exclusively SnPers, a one-trick-pony gets old fast, and in my observation of its use among most of your Youtube and Musicstore players, it is thoroughly unimpressive.
 
Greetings---

It seems that everybody is slapping and popping out there. I go to a music store to try out a few basses, and all I hear is----slapping and popping.

That's one reason why I very seldom visit music stores. As for slapping, I do it only occasionally to warm up. And even then I turn the volume all the way off if I'm plugged in. It's just a technique I have no use for.
 
Just another tool in the arsenal, i'd like to think. I'm still working on my own technique, which is very raw and basic, but I'd like to get to a point where I can do it without much concentration if need be. Wouldn't try to make my reputation as a bassist based solely on my ability to slap n' pop.

One thing I do despise is a non instrumentalist TELLING ME I should slap n' pop to get better on bass. I usually just take the bass off my shoulder, flip it, and it to them and ask "care to show me how it's done?"