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Not enough bass.
- Thread starter eq777
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I get where U R comin' from tho. 15"s have a 'sound' IMO & I s'pose 18"s do too.
AS stated earlier in this thread- look at the fEarful 15/6 & 15 sub - make sure you got HEAVY DUTY wattage to power it & KABOOM!!!
I ain't saying 410's cant do the freq's either, just that I've always liked 15"s [ tho I own NONE now
] & they seem to have a different way of reacting to the human touch on the bass.... Aww gee, now I've gone all touchy-feely
AS stated earlier in this thread- look at the fEarful 15/6 & 15 sub - make sure you got HEAVY DUTY wattage to power it & KABOOM!!!
I ain't saying 410's cant do the freq's either, just that I've always liked 15"s [ tho I own NONE now
] & they seem to have a different way of reacting to the human touch on the bass.... Aww gee, now I've gone all touchy-feely
Gearhead 17 and King Razor: Thanks for your knowledge. Even though I have been playing bass for years, there is so much to learn and I see I'm learning something new all the time. Could not understand what was going till you guys explained.
I get where U R comin' from tho. 15"s have a 'sound' IMO & I s'pose 18"s do too.
AS stated earlier in this thread- look at the fEarful 15/6 & 15 sub - make sure you got HEAVY DUTY wattage to power it & KABOOM!!!
I ain't saying 410's cant do the freq's either, just that I've always liked 15"s [ tho I own NONE now
I think I'll be looking into fEarlful 15/6 and the 15 sub.
No problem man I wish you luck on your quest to get a great sounding B string. There's nothing quite like it!
There is no magic.
You want that type of low end , you need big speaker/cab combination.
A big speaker in a big cab.
And A LOT of power to drive it.
And prepare to pay to have something efficient.
Think 1500 watts sub for a 200 watts top. (YMMV)
Not true that a 8X10 or a 15/6/2 will give the same low end.
Like I said earlier , it's gonna be big , heavy , expensive and a PITA to carry around and it won't help keeping the level of the stage to a low level.
But if it's what you want , there is no substitute.
You want that type of low end , you need big speaker/cab combination.
A big speaker in a big cab.
And A LOT of power to drive it.
And prepare to pay to have something efficient.
Think 1500 watts sub for a 200 watts top. (YMMV)
Not true that a 8X10 or a 15/6/2 will give the same low end.
Like I said earlier , it's gonna be big , heavy , expensive and a PITA to carry around and it won't help keeping the level of the stage to a low level.
But if it's what you want , there is no substitute.
So aside from your bass rig, what are you listening to Man In The Mirror on, speaker wise? Even if you've got a sub that'll do 30hz at 120 db with ease, there's little guarantee that this track was mixed to sound good on such a system. In fact most tracks of that era were mastered on something like the Yamaha NS10Ms which didn't do much under 100hz. But the theory was, if a track sounded good on them, it would sound good on anything. And to this day, most recorded tracks are recorded mono, then mixed 'down' to stereo. Take what you hear recorded with a grain of salt and don't use that to inform your live sound expectations. Also keep in mind that in any video footage of love concerts, the bass sound you hear its likely the bass direct via a DI direct into the board.
NS10 are used as "home stereo" reference to give an idea how a mix will sound on "everybody's stereo" , they are not used to mix.
fokof said:
for real?!? i hugely beg to differ since i use my ns10Ts to monitor ALL my mixes(especially when mono checking with one speaker). when you wanna hear it from a consumer's perspective, you'll wanna hear it in a car or an mp3 player at piss poor low quality squished to death by a limiter ;-)
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Don't worry yourself over it. If you play gigs you'll just get turned off at the board bc you're screwing up the FOH sound.
No "bass" cabinet can reproduce accurately what a really friggin awesome Meyer or something comparable true sub can do. I've been down this "tone" chase before and it doesn't get you anywhere.
If you want more "bass wash" on stage, invest in a side-fill and use that if the soundguy will let you. A front-firing sub on stage or assortment of them is just gonna lead to more problems than it's worth.
Unless you're Johnny April, of course...
No "bass" cabinet can reproduce accurately what a really friggin awesome Meyer or something comparable true sub can do. I've been down this "tone" chase before and it doesn't get you anywhere.
If you want more "bass wash" on stage, invest in a side-fill and use that if the soundguy will let you. A front-firing sub on stage or assortment of them is just gonna lead to more problems than it's worth.
Unless you're Johnny April, of course...
Don't worry yourself over it. If you play gigs you'll just get turned off at the board bc you're screwing up the FOH sound.
No "bass" cabinet can reproduce accurately what a really friggin awesome Meyer or something comparable true sub can do. I've been down this "tone" chase before and it doesn't get you anywhere.
If you want more "bass wash" on stage, invest in a side-fill and use that if the soundguy will let you. A front-firing sub on stage or assortment of them is just gonna lead to more problems than it's worth.
Unless you're Johnny April, of course...
Agreed - although my PH810 isn't a sub by any means, it isn't uncommon for me to be asked to cut my lows a little because they're making things difficult for the guy at the desk - either by fighting the FOH subs, or getting picked up in one or more of the stage mics... I really don't think that having a sub onstage is going to work out all that well...
- georgestrings
I was talking about big commercial studios.
NS10 are usually their 3rd - 4th pair on wich they reference audio.
I was answering to this comment :
"In fact most tracks of that era were mastered on something like the Yamaha NS10Ms which didn't do much under 100hz."
Very very very unlikely someone will master on NS10.
( again , I mean commercial mastering facility not Average Joe basement studio)
fokof said:
You've completely missed my point(s) , focussing instead on a tiny technical detail in my comment which is frankly irrelevant to the OP's question. I disagree with your assertion based on my experience, but I also don't wish to belabor the point, as this isn't the right forum.
The OP is looking for advice on how to get good strong low end from his rig. My suggestion was / is to not base his expectations for how his rig should sound on recorded music, as studio and live sound are two completely different animals.
