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not enough deep low end from ibanez bass

Please forgive my newbie ignorance, but how can I determine if the bass has a preamp in it?

The battery is a good indicator of that. Without any power source, you'd have a passive bass and be limited in your tone controls to just cutting frequencies w/o the option of boosting. The fact that yours uses a battery means you have something active in your electronics configuration. It could be both the pickups and the preamp/EQ that are receiving power, or it could just be the preamp/EQ or just the pickups. The term active pickups is often used interchangeably with set ups where the pickups are actually powered and where they're not (meaning only the pramp/EQ section is). I'm not sure in the case of your bass what the situation is, but IME with active electronics for bass, it seems most common that only the preamp/EQ section is powered, while the pickups themselves are passive. Sometimes the signal is simply buffered (not technically a preamp as I understand things), with the only amplification really happening when you boost any of the frequency bands of the EQ. Sometimes the circuit with the EQ will give a significant boost to the whole signal independently of the where the EQ bands are set. In many cases the amount of overall gain added is fixed at a certain level, sometimes it's variable via a trim pot or switch on the circuit board. As I understand the situation though, it's appropriate in common usage to simply refer to the whole EQ circuit as a preamp, whether it's really amplifying, or simply buffering.

If you remove the control plate, presumably on the back of this bass, and maybe even where you have to acces the battery (unless there is a battery box set in the back of the bass as well), you should be able to see a small circuit board in there somewhere. That is the preamp.
 
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Also, if you've tried tweaking the EQ on the bass and still are not satisfied. The flats should make a difference when you put those on, should sound a lot warmer.

I know a lot of people have mentioned that different basses simply sound different, and that's definitely the case, but the EQ on an amp, or on the bass itself pretty much exists for the purpose of being able to change the sound of whatever is running through it pretty drastically. IME with the Ibanez SR stuff, they seem to have pretty usable EQs; I've never had any trouble getting as much low end as I could ever need out of one. But even if I couldn't, there's still the EQ on the amp.

If you're still having trouble after messing with all that, I would definitely have a tech check the electronics out to be sure everything is functioning properly.

It'd also be a good idea to have a set up done regardless, if you've not done that yet. The set up process would address the potential of the pickup height being problematic too. You can even give that a shot yourself. It's not difficult, and there are good resources here on talkbass that can help you through it.
 
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I use an Earthquaker Devices Tone Job with my passive bases to get the sound I want. Simple 3 band EQ knobs and overall level knob. There are cheaper options out there too (used, the tone job runs about $100). More experienced members here may have better suggestions. Reverb.com and eBay are the places I look for pedals.
Edit: saw your pic, looks like an onboard EQ. I'd play with it (like others mentioned) before any purchases
Do you have any sound samples of the Tone Job on bass? I can only find sound samples on guitars
 
I bring bad news. Every Ibanez bass I have ever owned was lacking in tone. Sell it and get something else. Do not walk...run! Great necks and quality but for me, do not have the sound.

(Ducking the brickbats)..... do not spend money on the bass, it is what it is. Borrow some others and try them against your bass. This will let you know if this is the Ibanez or the the amp etc etc. There are so many who have their opinions on what is good and bad (like me) but you have to try different things to find out what is really going on. Opinions are just that. Get your hands on different basses and amps and then you can judge what you have. What we say one here is just so much hot air!
 
It has a battery, so I assume it has active pickups.
If it has a battery it can have passive pickups with active preamp, also if it has active pickups with passive electronics and the Best IMO is 2 active EMG 40DC double humbuckers with 18volt active 3-Band EQ preamp all together both pickups and preamp active for that Spector NS 5XL Bass guitar sound.
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Do you have any sound samples of the Tone Job on bass? I can only find sound samples on guitars
Sorry, I don't. Nor do I have ample means of recoding. :( I only use slight bass and mid boost and overall level boost. I cut the treble with the onboard tone control. Nothing one couldn't do with a 3 band onboard EQ. Not any major changes. Just gives me a little low end, which I especially need when I use a pick close to the bridge.
 
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I put on a new set of LA Bella Deep Talkin' Bass Flat Wound strings on her bass and...WOW, what a difference. Got rid of the brightness and gave it that deeper lower bass tone I was looking for... My daughter loves the smoother feel of the flat strings, too. Thanks everyone for all of your input.
 
I have an SR800 and it has the same active AFR pickups, but is a little newer, so has 3-band EQ, whereas the SR9xx and SR8xx series before '95 (I think) had bas and treble boost/cut EQ. The pickups on these are very full-range (Active Full Range) and will generate plenty of signal throughout the range, depending on string type, of course.
As noted above, plucking position (closer to the bridge, or closer to the neck) will have a huge difference as well. That bass will generate all the Bottom End you need if the amp/cab can reproduce it.