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Not sure what I want... will Barefaced help me get there?

TL;DR - Not totally satisfied with my cabinet solutions and I'm wondering if Barefaced cabs (and particularly the 210s) might be for me...

The Longer Version...

I play in an Americana, southern blues and "kicked up" country jam band - kinda like a smaller Allman Brothers type of format in a way, but with some Cash and Haggard, Marshall Tucker and old blues rocked out. We have a fairly rambunctious drummer, moderately loud guitar player, harp and percussion going on. Most of the gigs we play are in small-medium sized bars or smaller outside venues with only vocals and percussion in the PA. On the bigger stuff, we have full PA support provided - but only do a couple of those a year.

So... "traditional" sounds work best for us. Our guitar player plays a Les Paul into a 15W Fender with no pedals or anything - just uses the volume knob to get the drive we need and that seems to work well for us. The bass I keep coming back to is my 66 Fender Jazz - if it was the only bass I had left I would be perfectly happy. I have three heads I use and all of them are great - an Aguilar DB751, a Genz Benz Streamliner and (my current obsession) a Milkman Half and Half. I like warm, fat, clear and smooth fundamental tones - I don't slap, pop or use picks or any kind of overdrive (so, I guess lean toward the cleaner, fuller end of the spectrum).

As for cabs...

For the past 3-4 years, I used Aguilar SL cabs (usually two SL115s) with the heads listed above. They sounded great until I got a couple of the Bergantino Reference II cabinets. I can't tell you how unbelievably good these cabinets sound - I can't see myself ever getting rid of them. They are a match made in heaven with the Milkman and my Jazz bass - the sound in my head, for sure. I liked them in every way better than the Aguilars they replaced.

I'm looking for cabs that compliment the REF IIs, but have a more punchy response to them. I also bought a Bergantino NXV410 cab, but have a bit of a love hate relationship with the thing. The best way to describe that cab is "edgy" and I have struggled to get a consistently good tone out of it. Sometimes I absolutely love it, but other times not so much - and I go back and forth on that throughout the entire set. What I've found, is that with lower gain, it is perfect. But, with higher gain, it just becomes overly aggressive sounding - and for me, not in a good way. So, with my DB751, I pad the input, keep gain around 10 o'clock and the sound is awesome to my ear. But, with the Milkman, I can't seem to dial that aggression out at gig volume (there is no separate gain control). I prefer smooth/fat/punchy - if I could get what I get out of the Ref II cabinets but with more punch, that is what I think I am looking for. Again, not to replace the Ref IIs, but as a compliment to them.

As for Barefaced...

These cabs sound almost too good to be true and I have spent a lot of time perusing their website without buying anything. I was wondering if perhaps two of the 210s might get me closer to what I am looking for than the NXV410 is. I did watch one YouTube video featuring the 210 played with a Dingwall bass and it sounded pretty good (though of course was trying to imagine how it would sound with my amp, bass and style of music).

I do find the impedance on these cabs to be a bit confusing - I would have thought they would have been 8 ohms each (not switchable between 4-12). As I understand it, I could play through one of them at 4 ohms and two of them at either 6 or 2 ohms? I think the DB751 and Milkman can both go down to 2 ohms, while the Streamliner is good to 2.67 (again, I think). Do I have all of that right? Regardless, I want a setup that isn't a step back from the NXV 410 in terms of volume.

Anyway, interested in those that know these cabs if you think it might be worth me buying a pair to try out. Thanks for reading my long post...
 
TL;DR - Not totally satisfied with my cabinet solutions and I'm wondering if Barefaced cabs (and particularly the 210s) might be for me...

The Longer Version...

I play in an Americana, southern blues and "kicked up" country jam band - kinda like a smaller Allman Brothers type of format in a way, but with some Cash and Haggard, Marshall Tucker and old blues rocked out. We have a fairly rambunctious drummer, moderately loud guitar player, harp and percussion going on. Most of the gigs we play are in small-medium sized bars or smaller outside venues with only vocals and percussion in the PA. On the bigger stuff, we have full PA support provided - but only do a couple of those a year.

So... "traditional" sounds work best for us. Our guitar player plays a Les Paul into a 15W Fender with no pedals or anything - just uses the volume knob to get the drive we need and that seems to work well for us. The bass I keep coming back to is my 66 Fender Jazz - if it was the only bass I had left I would be perfectly happy. I have three heads I use and all of them are great - an Aguilar DB751, a Genz Benz Streamliner and (my current obsession) a Milkman Half and Half. I like warm, fat, clear and smooth fundamental tones - I don't slap, pop or use picks or any kind of overdrive (so, I guess lean toward the cleaner, fuller end of the spectrum).

As for cabs...

For the past 3-4 years, I used Aguilar SL cabs (usually two SL115s) with the heads listed above. They sounded great until I got a couple of the Bergantino Reference II cabinets. I can't tell you how unbelievably good these cabinets sound - I can't see myself ever getting rid of them. They are a match made in heaven with the Milkman and my Jazz bass - the sound in my head, for sure. I liked them in every way better than the Aguilars they replaced.

I'm looking for cabs that compliment the REF IIs, but have a more punchy response to them. I also bought a Bergantino NXV410 cab, but have a bit of a love hate relationship with the thing. The best way to describe that cab is "edgy" and I have struggled to get a consistently good tone out of it. Sometimes I absolutely love it, but other times not so much - and I go back and forth on that throughout the entire set. What I've found, is that with lower gain, it is perfect. But, with higher gain, it just becomes overly aggressive sounding - and for me, not in a good way. So, with my DB751, I pad the input, keep gain around 10 o'clock and the sound is awesome to my ear. But, with the Milkman, I can't seem to dial that aggression out at gig volume (there is no separate gain control). I prefer smooth/fat/punchy - if I could get what I get out of the Ref II cabinets but with more punch, that is what I think I am looking for. Again, not to replace the Ref IIs, but as a compliment to them.

As for Barefaced...

These cabs sound almost too good to be true and I have spent a lot of time perusing their website without buying anything. I was wondering if perhaps two of the 210s might get me closer to what I am looking for than the NXV410 is. I did watch one YouTube video featuring the 210 played with a Dingwall bass and it sounded pretty good (though of course was trying to imagine how it would sound with my amp, bass and style of music).

I do find the impedance on these cabs to be a bit confusing - I would have thought they would have been 8 ohms each (not switchable between 4-12). As I understand it, I could play through one of them at 4 ohms and two of them at either 6 or 2 ohms? I think the DB751 and Milkman can both go down to 2 ohms, while the Streamliner is good to 2.67 (again, I think). Do I have all of that right? Regardless, I want a setup that isn't a step back from the NXV 410 in terms of volume.

Anyway, interested in those that know these cabs if you think it might be worth me buying a pair to try out. Thanks for reading my long post...

Regarding the impedence, did you read this page?
 
TL;DR - Not totally satisfied with my cabinet solutions and I'm wondering if Barefaced cabs (and particularly the 210s) might be for me...

The Longer Version...

I play in an Americana, southern blues and "kicked up" country jam band - kinda like a smaller Allman Brothers type of format in a way, but with some Cash and Haggard, Marshall Tucker and old blues rocked out. We have a fairly rambunctious drummer, moderately loud guitar player, harp and percussion going on. Most of the gigs we play are in small-medium sized bars or smaller outside venues with only vocals and percussion in the PA. On the bigger stuff, we have full PA support provided - but only do a couple of those a year.

So... "traditional" sounds work best for us. Our guitar player plays a Les Paul into a 15W Fender with no pedals or anything - just uses the volume knob to get the drive we need and that seems to work well for us. The bass I keep coming back to is my 66 Fender Jazz - if it was the only bass I had left I would be perfectly happy. I have three heads I use and all of them are great - an Aguilar DB751, a Genz Benz Streamliner and (my current obsession) a Milkman Half and Half. I like warm, fat, clear and smooth fundamental tones - I don't slap, pop or use picks or any kind of overdrive (so, I guess lean toward the cleaner, fuller end of the spectrum).

As for cabs...

For the past 3-4 years, I used Aguilar SL cabs (usually two SL115s) with the heads listed above. They sounded great until I got a couple of the Bergantino Reference II cabinets. I can't tell you how unbelievably good these cabinets sound - I can't see myself ever getting rid of them. They are a match made in heaven with the Milkman and my Jazz bass - the sound in my head, for sure. I liked them in every way better than the Aguilars they replaced.

I'm looking for cabs that compliment the REF IIs, but have a more punchy response to them. I also bought a Bergantino NXV410 cab, but have a bit of a love hate relationship with the thing. The best way to describe that cab is "edgy" and I have struggled to get a consistently good tone out of it. Sometimes I absolutely love it, but other times not so much - and I go back and forth on that throughout the entire set. What I've found, is that with lower gain, it is perfect. But, with higher gain, it just becomes overly aggressive sounding - and for me, not in a good way. So, with my DB751, I pad the input, keep gain around 10 o'clock and the sound is awesome to my ear. But, with the Milkman, I can't seem to dial that aggression out at gig volume (there is no separate gain control). I prefer smooth/fat/punchy - if I could get what I get out of the Ref II cabinets but with more punch, that is what I think I am looking for. Again, not to replace the Ref IIs, but as a compliment to them.

As for Barefaced...

These cabs sound almost too good to be true and I have spent a lot of time perusing their website without buying anything. I was wondering if perhaps two of the 210s might get me closer to what I am looking for than the NXV410 is. I did watch one YouTube video featuring the 210 played with a Dingwall bass and it sounded pretty good (though of course was trying to imagine how it would sound with my amp, bass and style of music).

I do find the impedance on these cabs to be a bit confusing - I would have thought they would have been 8 ohms each (not switchable between 4-12). As I understand it, I could play through one of them at 4 ohms and two of them at either 6 or 2 ohms? I think the DB751 and Milkman can both go down to 2 ohms, while the Streamliner is good to 2.67 (again, I think). Do I have all of that right? Regardless, I want a setup that isn't a step back from the NXV 410 in terms of volume.

Anyway, interested in those that know these cabs if you think it might be worth me buying a pair to try out. Thanks for reading my long post...

Preface - I have no affiliation with Barefaced other than owning some of their cabs.


Short answer…the Barefaced gear is as good as advertised. Believe the hype, the hype is real.

I know it’s not your sound buuut…Tim Commerford is a massive vintage Ampeg guy and has been running the Barefaced 10s for many years. (A 6x10, 4x10 and a 2x10 I think).

The best thing to do is email or call them directly. They will give you great advice on how to achieve what you want.

I have a STM900 too, but I’m going through an older model 1x12 and 1x15. It sounds massive and plenty old school. The 10s will get you even closer.

A more economical one cab solution would be the 6x10.

Believe the hype!
 
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Preface - I have no affiliation with Barefaced other than owning some of their cabs.


Short answer…the Barefaced gear is as good as advertised. Believe the hype, the hype is real.

I know it’s not your sound buuut…Tim Commerford is a massive vintage Ampeg guy and has been running the Barefaced 10s for many years. (A 6x10, 4x10 and a 2x10 I think).

The best thing to do is email or call them directly. They will give you great advice on how to achieve what you want.

I have a STM900 too, but I’m going through an older model 1x12 and 1x15. It sounds massive and plenty old school. The 10s will get you even closer.

A more economical one cab solution would be the 6x10.

Believe the hype!
Thanks for the response and yeah, I was considering the 6x10 - just overkill I think for what I want/need. I like the modular 210 setup. I did email them directly also, so will see what they have to say. The only thing that has given me pause is that in one video, they talk about how the 10s get "angry" as you push them, which is kinda what I am hearing from my Bergantino cab. I find that, as long as I don't tick it off, it behaves great. Just wondering if I'm going to run into the same thing with the Barefaced cabs.

And thanks for clarifying you're not Nickthebassist. I remember that guy. Epic
 
I did not see that page - thanks for sharing.

So - I can run one cab at 4 ohms or two of them at either 8 or 2 ohms... If I am reading that correctly. And, though it doesn't specifically call it out, looks like I could run one at 4 ohms and one at 12 ohms to get me 2.7 ohms - which I think would be safe with my Streamliners.
No, 2.67 ohms is not ok for a Streamliner
 
Thanks for the response and yeah, I was considering the 6x10 - just overkill I think for what I want/need. I like the modular 210 setup. I did email them directly also, so will see what they have to say. The only thing that has given me pause is that in one video, they talk about how the 10s get "angry" as you push them, which is kinda what I am hearing from my Bergantino cab. I find that, as long as I don't tick it off, it behaves great. Just wondering if I'm going to run into the same thing with the Barefaced cabs.

And thanks for clarifying you're not Nickthebassist. I remember that guy. Epic
I think you may be misinterpreting "angry", I suppose they might break up in an old school way if really pushed but honestly I have never heard it. As an example I have a Four 10 and a Two 10 which I at times run either individually or together as a Six 10 with an Aguilar DB751 for outdoor stages. I have never heard them get angry or break up offensively and I have run them pretty loud with the 751. You just get more of the same as you turn it up, fabulous cabs that over-deliver in spades ime. If you are considering Barefaced don't overlook their twelves, a different shade of awesome but fill a space very nicely without being quite so punchy as the tens. I had a great gig last Saturday with a Super Midget/Big Baby stack and both a Subway 800+ the Bergantino Forte HP.
Hope this helps a little, I suppose the only downside of Barefaced is that you can't go into a store and plug one in to try it, but that is how they keep prices down.
 
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I am quite happy with the 2x Super Compacts (1x12 each, no tweet). And they weigh 20 lbs each!
I go for warm & fat with a clear P-Bass mid-growl and these cabs, either alone or together, deliver all I ever need. Using an Aguiar TH700 head.
I do sub-work and frequently get compliments on the quality of tone.
I had a cafe gig last week and another bassist I know was there so had him play some between sets, and the tone was present all over the room.
 
I think you may be misinterpreting "angry", I suppose they might break up in an old school way if really pushed but honestly I have never heard it. As an example I have a Four 10 and a Two 10 which I at times run either individually or together as a Six 10 with an Aguilar DB751 for outdoor stages. I have never heard them get angry or break up offensively and I have run them pretty loud with the 751. You just get more of the same as you turn it up, fabulous cabs that over-deliver in spades ime. If you are considering Barefaced don't overlook their twelves, a different shade of awesome but fill a space very nicely without being quite so punchy as the tens. I had a great gig last Saturday with a Super Midget/Big Baby stack and both a Subway 800+ the Bergantino Forte HP.
Hope this helps a little, I suppose the only downside of Barefaced is that you can't go into a store and plug one in to try it, but that is how they keep prices down.
Thanks, Tim - I might quite well be interpreting "angry". I hear my NXV as angry at gig volume without an ability to dial it out with certain amps. That said, I also wonder how much of that translates into the room. I only say that because I had a gig last Saturday and we got some (iPhone) video where the bass actually sounded pretty good. Anywho...

Thanks for the insights on the twelves - the Super Twin actually, on paper, looks like the ideal single cab solution. I bought a second home down in Arizona this past spring and I need a bass rig there. That cab might be an interesting one to try there. The only thing is that I love my Bergantino Ref II 115s and was planning to use one of those there. Best sounding cab I've ever heard and I just worry I might be disappointed. I guess you never know until you try.

The reason I was leaning toward the 10s is really based on what I read on the Barefaced website. I gigged an Ampeg Heritage 810 for years and it was one of my favorite gigging cabs ever. In hindsight, I realize how silly it was lugging a full SVT stack into a club to play for 30 people, but I digress - it was a lovely sounding and performing cab. The Bergantino 115s sound incredible, but lack the punch that cab had. That is no disrespect to the Bergs - I was just wanting to get a punchy cab solution to compliment them. What I understand about the 210s is that they have a similar tone profile as the 810, but on steroids (for lack of a better term).

I also understand they are "colored", which is another thing I liked about my Ampeg - everything I played through it just sounded nice and warm. I find my DB751 and Streamliners to be colored sounding amps to my ears while the Milkman is less so. Again, no disrespect to the Milkman - it is the best sounding bass amp I've ever heard (it makes me feel like I have one of the best kept secrets in the bass world, TBH). But, my thinking is that the 210s might add back in some of the "color" that would compliment the Milkman nicely.

I have another outdoor gig this weekend and plan to use the 2 Berg 115s instead of the 410 - we'll see how they do. God, they have opened up so nicely after a few weeks. Might forget about the need to get something to compliment them and just enjoy that goodness!

But, then again, having two 210s stacked on a Berg 115 would probably sound pretty massive too...

Tim, I appreciate you taking the time to share your insights. Always have found them super helpful.
 
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I am quite happy with the 2x Super Compacts (1x12 each, no tweet). And they weigh 20 lbs each!
I go for warm & fat with a clear P-Bass mid-growl and these cabs, either alone or together, deliver all I ever need. Using an Aguiar TH700 head.
I do sub-work and frequently get compliments on the quality of tone.
I had a cafe gig last week and another bassist I know was there so had him play some between sets, and the tone was present all over the room.
That's an interesting solution too - instead of the Super Twin, getting two Super Compacts. The Super Twin is definitely portable, but I guess there could be times where I just want one of them for even more portability. Same goes for the 210s I suppose. Nice time to be a bass player.
 
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I’m on the fence, as they say YMMV. I know this won’t be a popular response because there’s lots of TB hype but the 2 I’ve played didn’t blow me away (BB3 and currently own a Super Twin).

Maybe just because I’m not a P bass player and I don’t fall under that demographic? I dunno? the hype is just that IMHO.

I also like 10s so maybe that’s a better fit for me, or I should stop trying to fix something that’s not broke and just be happy with the 2x12 I’m playing as it sounds amazing and sound engineer feedback is always super positive. We always have amazing FOH support and I use IEMs so stage volume is generally pretty low as well.
 
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I’m on the fence, as they say YMMV. I know this won’t be a popular response because there’s lots of TB hype but the 2 I’ve played didn’t blow me away (BB3 and currently own a Super Twin).

Maybe just because I’m not a P bass player and I don’t fall under that demographic? I dunno? the hype is just that IMHO.

I also like 10s so maybe that’s a better fit for me, or I should stop trying to fix something that’s not broke and just be happy with the 2x12 I’m playing as it sounds amazing and sound engineer feedback is always super positive. We always have amazing FOH support and I use IEMs so stage volume is generally pretty low as well.
Interesting - thanks for the counter perspective. If you don’t mind, you say you’re not a PBass player - what kind of player are you? Thanks again
 
Interesting - thanks for the counter perspective. If you don’t mind, you say you’re not a PBass player - what kind of player are you? Thanks again
I build my own (headless) and play Warwick, Mayones, Maruszczyk (occasionally) so more modern style and play percussively with floating thumb so I prefer to hear the ghost notes.
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Maybe the Big Twin (with tweeter) or Super Twin (with tweeter) would be a better option for me, but I’m super happy with my current cab after doing a side-by-side comparison. Again, I don’t need to keep searching as there’s no reason to replace my current setup. I was super curious because of all the TB love, but as I say YMMV… it just didn’t do for me what it apparently does for others. :) But that’s okay, if folks love em that’s cool.
 
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Maybe the Big Twin (with tweeter) or Super Twin (with tweeter) would be a better option for me, but I’m super happy with my current cab after doing a side-by-side comparison. Again, I don’t need to keep searching as there’s no reason to replace my current setup. I was super curious because of all the TB love, but as I say YMMV… it just didn’t do for me what it apparently does for others. :) But that’s okay, if folks love em that’s cool.
Definitely. Seems every piece of bass gear has raving fans here on TB, which is awesome. Nice there are options that speak to a wide variety of players and preferences. I’ve bought plenty of gear here based on the surrounding hype. Some has stuck, most hasn’t. Part of the fun IME.
 
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I've been very happy with the early Berg HT112 cabs for over two decades now. I run them with the tweeter off and they are very punchy. That's because they aren't mid-scooped like the Epifanis and Peavey 210TX I used before.

I've never played through any Bergs except other flavors of 1-12, so can't guarantee you'll find them any punchier than your 1-15 cabs.
 
I've been very happy with the early Berg HT112 cabs for over two decades now. I run them with the tweeter off and they are very punchy. That's because they aren't mid-scooped like the Epifanis and Peavey 210TX I used before.

I've never played through any Bergs except other flavors of 1-12, so can't guarantee you'll find them any punchier than your 1-15 cabs.
I used to have a pair of those way back in the day (along with an HD212 and NV412) - all great cabs for sure. These 115s do something for me though, I must say