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Double Bass NY Phil - Tim Cobb new principal

ldduarte

ldduarte

Sep 19, 2011
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Brasília-DF, Brasil
#1
Did anybody heard something about it?
I saw some people congratulating Tim Cobb as the new NY Phil principal bass, but what happened with Fora?
If he was fired, it is a shocking news for me...

(I know it is not an audition, but it is related to a recent one...I didn't know where to write it)
 
#2
Before rumor spins out, I hope to lay out the facts as they are currently known.

(content removed in an effort to control rumor and protect professional reputations in a public forum. Talkbass cannot control what is said privately but since we also have no way to verify information on matters such as these, keeping the thread on a positive note as regards who is currently holding the position seems the most reasonable course of action)

Tim Cobb, who is an excellent player and musician, seems to have been named as the appointed principal for the section in the wake of Fora's departure.
 
#3
Tim took the audition last time around so maybe he was declared runner-up and so they can appoint him without having another round of auditions? Otherwise I'm pretty sure you can't just declare someone a new principal without a formal audition process.
 
#4
icactus said:
Otherwise I'm pretty sure you can't just declare someone a new principal without a formal audition process.
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They can do whatever they want. Every orchestra has its own policies regarding auditions and appointments. I don't know what NY's contract looks like, but principal appointments are not uncommon. Particularly when the open audition process has already failed.

Is this confirmed as a permanent appointment? I would imagine they'll still hold an audition for assistant.
 
#5
I very much think this is an extremely valuable thread. The bass world needs to know what life is truly like on the "job". The psychological demands from all directions as principal, the henchmen, the assassination attempts, lack of recognition when every note you play is a solo any ways, your instrument seen as inferior by the recognition broker and his/her lackees, the academic telling you how to play your instrument when they have never even held a bass in their life , obfuscation, inaction as a weapon, all while trying to play better than you ever have to redeem your sense of satisfaction.
Therefore it is very important to know when the audition process has proven to be fallible and why and what the outcomes are to be, Especially in the top orchestra job of the states, the NY Phil.
 
#6
I would vote that this thread be taken down, or reduced to a congrats to Tim Cobb thread. The rumor mill spins both ways, and its a dangerous place to voice conjecture. Keep it civil. Lets keep Talk bass from sounding like a catty hair salon.
 
#7
well that´s the way the cookie crumbles for all involved.

A bassist I greatly respect once told me that playing in an orchestra is 5% bass playin and 95% dealing with @$$holes.

Don´t quite agree. I would say a good 60/40. But who am I.

I still wouldn´t trade this life for anything.

Tim Cobb has been a great influence to my playing and I wish him all the good fortune and prosperity he can have .

Fora IMHO is one of the more exciting and talented bassists I have heard in many years. He will surely go more places .

As for me, I love good gossip and I think the sponsors of the site do as well:ninja:

@Tom, spot on.
 
#8
Tomhuckaby said:
I very much think this is an extremely valuable thread. The bass world needs to know what life is truly like on the "job". The psychological demands from all directions as principal, the henchmen, the assassination attempts, lack of recognition when every note you play is a solo any ways, your instrument seen as inferior by the recognition broker and his/her lackees, the academic telling you how to play your instrument when they have never even held a bass in their life , obfuscation, inaction as a weapon, all while trying to play better than you ever have to redeem your sense of satisfaction.
Therefore it is very important to know when the audition process has proven to be fallible and why and what the outcomes are to be, Especially in the top orchestra job of the states, the NY Phil.
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Care to elaborate, Tom? I'm sure we would all love to hear about your experience.
 
#9
Tomhuckaby said:
I very much think this is an extremely valuable thread. The bass world needs to know what life is truly like on the "job". The psychological demands from all directions as principal, the henchmen, the assassination attempts, lack of recognition when every note you play is a solo any ways, your instrument seen as inferior by the recognition broker and his/her lackees, the academic telling you how to play your instrument when they have never even held a bass in their life , obfuscation, inaction as a weapon, all while trying to play better than you ever have to redeem your sense of satisfaction.
Therefore it is very important to know when the audition process has proven to be fallible and why and what the outcomes are to be, Especially in the top orchestra job of the states, the NY Phil.
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LeroyJenkins said:
I would vote that this thread be taken down, or reduced to a congrats to Tim Cobb thread. The rumor mill spins both ways, and its a dangerous place to voice conjecture. Keep it civil. Lets keep Talk bass from sounding like a catty hair salon.
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After discussion with other admins, we have determined that while both points of view above are valid, since there is no way for us to verify information about who did what in these instances, and since professional reputations are affected by those inevitable google clicks these days, this thread and threads like it should try to remain positive and present information about who the audition winners are and other facts that can be verified. What goes in in private discussions between members, of course, is beyond our purview. :)
 
#11
So assuming Mr. Cobb is the new principal of the philharmonic, does this mean there will be a principal audition at the met? Don't they have a section audition coming up here soon?

Is this official or all speculation at this point? Either way, I think we can all agree that he is more then qualified for the job.
 
#15
chicagodoubler said:
What happened with Fora?
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The players who have inside knowledge of the situation or are well connected enough to all parties involved to have a good perspective on what went down are not the people who are going to ever contribute to talkbass. And if there are people who come across this who are privy to details, I would hope that they are smart enough to keep their mouths shut on a public forum.
 
#16
Why the gag order? I bet you there are people in this forum that are spending lots of money and time preparing for these auditions and if the workplace is unwelcoming they probably want to know. Information about people's impressions and experiences is very important in the marketplace. This is why sites like eBay are so successful. here at talkbass we have a tendency to discourage any type of bad reviews. In my opinion this is a mistake.
 
#18
Just for the record, there is no "gag order"; rather, after checking with the site owner and admin, it was decided that since the information that was being posted was unverifiable, it would be better to let the person sharing that information do so privately rather than publicly. There is nothing stopping anyone from sending a friendly PM to anyone else asking for details.
 

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