Offensive Halloween Costume

[Menorahman]

People make too much of this stuff. Being racist is natural. Everyone discriminates all the time and for good reason. It only becomes bad when it slips into action and oppression.

 

[Plectrum72]

Please, clearly yet concisely, and in your own words, explain how that is hypocrisy.

I'm sorry, in my own words? Aside from quoting your posts, did I unintentionally plagiarise? Regardless, saying it is ok to do something to one group, but not to do it to another group and calling it fair is hypocrisy. Perhaps socially acceptable, but still hypocrisy.

 

[SunnBass]

I'm sorry, in my own words? Aside from quoting your posts, did I unintentionally plagiarise? Regardless, saying it is ok to do something to one group, but not to do it to another group and calling it fair is hypocrisy. Perhaps socially acceptable, but still hypocrisy.

Um, easy there. I did not say you plagiarized.

I just wanted to see what it was you thought you meant, that's all.
Nothing personal.

 

[JimmyThunder]

Your life is a boat adrift on an ocean, you can be forgiven for not realizing the myriad invisible currents that determine your course. But to continue pleading ignorance when those invisible currents are pointed out to you, you've now crossed the line to willful ignorance.

First of all, this is some of the most laughably pretentious b.s. I've seen on the internet, and I've been internetting for a long long time. Congrats.

Second of all, jeez fella, when you say "It IS funny to mock Christianity because it has been on the top of the totem pole for the past two thousand years" you sound mighty provincial. Christianity sure hasn't spent 2k years on the top of the totem pole in Asia, or Africa, or most of South America. Sounds to me like you are only considering the universe of your own white eurocentric experience. You should try including the rest of your world in your generalizations. Think of the billions more people you could be defending from the horrors of fake moustaches! Have you SEEN the moustaches of Indian culture? They're AMAZING! No wait they're terribly offensive? Aw heck I don't even know anymore.

Which leads me to wonder, where does one define the borders of power balance? I grew up in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood on Long Island. If you're not of "the chosen people" you get left out of a lot of cultural stuff and, frankly, kind of looked down upon sometimes. So I can rightfully be anti-semetic when I'm back there, right? Because I'm not on top of the totem pole, they are? I am not sure if I can simply enjoy a bar mitzvah or if I should be lecturing them about embracing diversity instead of their own traditions. Or does this only matter on a national scale? Is it the right thing to do to mock Mexicans when I'm in Mexico because they are the majority and hold the power there?

 

[pjb15]

If you need a sub for the gig let me know!

 

[JimmyM]

First of all, this is some of the most laughably pretentious b.s. I've seen on the internet, and I've been internetting for a long long time. Congrats.

Second of all, jeez fella, when you say "It IS funny to mock Christianity because it has been on the top of the totem pole for the past two thousand years" you sound mighty provincial. Christianity sure hasn't spent 2k years on the top of the totem pole in Asia, or Africa, or most of South America. Sounds to me like you are only considering the universe of your own white eurocentric experience. You should try including the rest of your world in your generalizations. Think of the billions more people you could be defending from the horrors of fake moustaches! Have you SEEN the moustaches of Indian culture? They're AMAZING! No wait they're terribly offensive? Aw heck I don't even know anymore.

Which leads me to wonder, where does one define the borders of power balance? I grew up in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood on Long Island. If you're not of "the chosen people" you get left out of a lot of cultural stuff and, frankly, kind of looked down upon sometimes. So I can rightfully be anti-semetic when I'm back there, right? Because I'm not on top of the totem pole, they are? I am not sure if I can simply enjoy a bar mitzvah or if I should be lecturing them about embracing diversity instead of their own traditions. Or does this only matter on a national scale? Is it the right thing to do to mock Mexicans when I'm in Mexico because they are the majority and hold the power there?

Boo-hoo.

 

[Vic Winters]

This apparently needs to be reposted for all the latecomers who insist they didn't oppress anybody.

Care to tell me where Paula was oppressed?

 

[Plectrum72]

Not that majority rule has ever been a valid moral compass, but I figured I'd point out the polling of those who voted in this thread currently has 232 saying the Mariachi costumes are not offensive and 40 saying they are.

 

[Anachronism]

Those aren't metaphors, they're logical fallacies. I think you're due for a trip here:

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I could easily accuse you of both as well, and also throw in the texas sharpshooter (since you can think of or find someone who doesn't feel oppressed, no one must be oppressed).


I claim no superiority, and I'm no one's champion.

What you're missing is a sense of scale. On the scale of 500 years there is no way to talk about people or cultures as anything other than monolithic. And on that scale there is no other way to describe the treatment of indigenous Americans as anything other than as victims.

That doesn't mean that in that time there haven't been people who weren't victimized, or who found success in spite of it, but their stories do not change the fundamental nature of the relationship between the two cultures.

While both phrases refer to falacies, they are in fact metaphors. To be pedantic, you could call them metaphorical descriptions of logical falacies, but this is beside the point.

Hisrorians, philosophers and social scientists talk about people and cultures on 500-year-scales all the time, and we don't reduce them to monolitic blocks, at least not if we're any good at our scholarship.

 

[Winterglo]

"I was discriminated against, 'You're just a dumb Mexican,'" said Ric J. Romero, 56, a retiree in Albuquerque, N.M., who said he traces his family's origins to Spain, not Mexico. He doesn't want to be known as Mexican?
"I see it in people's faces, in the way they react," said Raymond Angulo, 66. Wait, now our faces are somehow discriminating?
"It causes me a lot of pain," she said in an interview conducted in Spanish. "These people come to work and they do work that the Americans won't do for the little pay they get." Spanish? Maybe you can make more money speaking English. I did those jobs Americans "Won't do" that statement is offensive to me. If all of the people who are doing the jobs we don't want left. There would be total anarchy. Weeds, unkempt sidewalks the horror, the horror. I think those jobs would be filled by legal U.S. Citizens. Give us some credit. A univision Poll? I'm sure there is no discrimination in their reporting.
La Raza?? La Raza? (The Race)- it's very name is racist!! What if I had an organization named "The Race" in English, but I only worked for the advancement of another group of people. How would that go down. No Klan comparisons please. It's a joke cool your jets..
If they have cornered the market on the jobs we don't want. Why don't they organize legally, form a corporation, with U.S. Citizens, who are proud to be here, and who want to be American. Then, set their own prices! In the Southwest especially. I bet you won't be discriminated against, after all, we don't want those jobs. Then pay the workers whatever they want to pay them. It's been a long time. I would move on to greener Pastures, so to speak, after a couple hundred years or so. Or in my lifetime. Is that not the way people did it since this country's founding.

Wear the costumes, jam, have fun, this is America baby. Freedom!

 

[Winterglo]

What's the best offensive costume for metal?

Mariachi Costumes.

 

[SunnBass]

Care to tell me where Paula was oppressed?

Institutional Oppression is the systematic mistreatment of people within a social identity group, supported and enforced by the society and its institutions, solely based on the person's membership in the social identity group.

 

[jive1]

Lots of reports on this thread. Closed for mod review...

 

[Thor]

I'm still puzzled why "No Politics" in the Band Management forum rule is So Difficult to understand.
Based on the discourse, you all seem to be pretty intelligent people.