Got notice from Harry at Barefaced that my cab it built and the driver has shipped from the states, so now is the waiting game. Been here twice before and I doesn't get any easier! Pics soon!
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Does anyone pair the One Ten with any combination of the BB2 or SM? I know typically it is recommended not to mix drivers, but am curious of any application. I already use the SM for small gigs and rehearsal so I am not sure what only a single One Ten would bring to the party.
SM + 110 has been discussed earlier in the thread a few times. People seem to like it. It's not a perfect match on paper, but it's not unusable. I think a BB2 would be a less useable match, though not necessarily unusable.
As soon as my SC arrives, you bet I'm gonna try the SC/One10 pairing! Not hopeful, but I will try it.
I paired my SM with my One10 and really liked it. I believe TBer LowNote felt the same.
To me, the One10 fattened up the SM making it more BB2-ish. I had one of those too ...
To me, the One10 fattened up the SM making it more BB2-ish. I had one of those too ...
Hey guys. I want to buy one of their cabs. And I have question about passive vs active. Of course when it comes to passive I need amp or poweramp/preamp thing right ? And how about active ? They have their poweramp in the cab ? So just plug preamp to that cab and put imput my bass to preamp or via rack wireless and that's it ? Where I can find more info about preamps and poweramps to this units ? I really think about my new rig (poweramp/preamp/wireless rackmount in case and rest of the effects in pedalboard instead my "just" Ampeg head) and one bigger or two smaller cabs (light ones to carry them on my own). I never find many usefull infos about poweramp.preamp for bass rig. Maby someone could help me to choose ones ? Thanks.
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I have both and pair them, and I love the tone. Some things work in real life better then in theory.
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alexclaber
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I'm going to have a little bit of a rant here because there's nothing that annoys me more than the TRUTH being written off as "just theory". I may be an engineer but I'm also a bass player, songwriter, singer, musician and music lover.
So people often ask me "can I use a One10 with a Super Compact" or any other combination of 10CR and 12XN models. Yes you can.
Then they ask me "how will they work together?" The answer to that is very very very complex. The cabs are just so different in so many ways. But the most important difference is the difference in their behaviour at high SPL.
You could get the "perfect" tone happening in the rehearsal studio with a One10 on a Super Compact, go a a gig, have to crank up a lot more and that tone is gone. Why? Because the One10 changes in tone as you turn up louder whilst the Super Compact barely changes until it maxxes out. That tonal change with the One10 doesn't just affect the two different sounds you're mixing, it also affects how they mix.
It's like trying to make a cake with two groups of ingredients, say one cab (12XN) is the flour and sugar and the other cab (10CR) is the eggs and butter and flavourings - and when you use them together not all of both groups of ingredients actually lands in the bowl (that's the phase difference). And as you play louder the 10CR group of ingredients is changing so the number of eggs, amount of butter and amount and type of flavourings are all changing - but not only are they changing, a different proportion of them are landing in the bowl rather than on the floor (because the phase is changing due to the non-linearity).
So yes, our 10CR and 12XN cabs can be a lot of fun and great sounding together. But they can also be not so good. And it's nigh on impossible for me to predict. So if you have at least one cab from each range, do try them together and post up about your anecdotal evidence - but don't go telling everyone it's ideal for them because every situation is different.
It isn't about "real life vs theory" - it's about there being thousands of different variables in real life and your experience will only represent a handful of them.
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Yes, true. This is my case, I never run this stack close to the level where One10 would start to distort. And I am not good at science, I just play music and only trust my ears thus in my case "theory" means "most popular points of view" but not the documented truth.
@alexclaber Here's another idea: Come out with another 10" driver that pairs better with your 12" driver...or vice versa...just saying.
alexclaber
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But why? I don't care what diameter drivers are.
I pair my SM and One10 quite a lot, as most gigs I do my BT2 is just gonna frighten people off. Sat in my lounge (I literally just tested this as a result of this thread) at fairly low volume, directly in front of the cabs these were the results:
SM: As expected, pretty balanced across the whole range.
One10: Less low end, much more midrange and less treble extension - expected too, right?
SM+One10: Much thicker in the midrange but still with the bottom end that the SM offers.
However, whilst that's been the experience at home, some gigs I've loved the tone of the two paired, and other gigs I've just not really been into it at all, just as Alex says about real world experience. Similarly which head I'm using of my TC RH750 or BH250 has a huge impact too. If I had the choice I'd rather stack two of the same cabs, but I primarily pair the two in order to gain more height whilst remaining super light weight, rather than to combine their sonic characters.
Ultimately, what i've listed as the characteristics are what you're going to hear when paring them, but only under the conditions stated...
If people are really keen to hear this I will make a video of the two separately and paired! However, this won't reflect what Alex describes about the change in characteristic at volume, nor any of the other factors described...
SM: As expected, pretty balanced across the whole range.
One10: Less low end, much more midrange and less treble extension - expected too, right?
SM+One10: Much thicker in the midrange but still with the bottom end that the SM offers.
However, whilst that's been the experience at home, some gigs I've loved the tone of the two paired, and other gigs I've just not really been into it at all, just as Alex says about real world experience. Similarly which head I'm using of my TC RH750 or BH250 has a huge impact too. If I had the choice I'd rather stack two of the same cabs, but I primarily pair the two in order to gain more height whilst remaining super light weight, rather than to combine their sonic characters.
Ultimately, what i've listed as the characteristics are what you're going to hear when paring them, but only under the conditions stated...
If people are really keen to hear this I will make a video of the two separately and paired! However, this won't reflect what Alex describes about the change in characteristic at volume, nor any of the other factors described...
I love reason/science: it works whether you believe in it or not, LOL.
Pbassmanca
In the pocket n' thumpy. So woody, so greasy...
Pbassmanca
In the pocket n' thumpy. So woody, so greasy...
Must.....save......enough..money........to purchase.............Super....Twin..............Must.....achieve..........massive....tonal.....perfection
Dammit Jim, I'm a bassist not a financier!
