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Oleo thoughts

Discussion in 'Recordings [BG]' started by SanDiegoHarry, Apr 3, 2009.


  1. SanDiegoHarry

    SanDiegoHarry Banned Supporting Member

    Aug 11, 2008
    San Diego, CA
    So I'm in this new band, and the guitarist wants to do a side thing with realbook tunes - I'm all for that, since it would be a fine learning experience.

    The first tune he wants to do is Oleo, which is a *fairly* blazing piece of music. I went to REALBOOK.US to eyeball the chart - and the changes look pretty straight forward...

    But the recordings I have of it just RIPS so damn fast it's hard to hear...

    I'm open to any suggestions from folks who know/play this fine tune - keeping in mind that I'm still a learner when it comes to walking/running bass parts

    thanks!
     
  2. Stumbo

    Stumbo Wherever you go, there you are. Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 11, 2008
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    Maybe find another tune to start with while your working on that tune.
     
  3. Have fun with it! "Rhythm Changes" might be a good search tool - not only here, but across the 'net. It's a great melody as well...nice technical challenge to learn and get under your fingers.

    Here's a fun hint, if it has any value. Remember the theme to The Flintstones? Same changes. Enjoy...
     
  4. SanDiegoHarry

    SanDiegoHarry Banned Supporting Member

    Aug 11, 2008
    San Diego, CA
    No kidding. Who know?
     
  5. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    NYC
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    Not to put too fine a point on it, but you kinda need to be at a place that you can hear that the changes to this are the same as the changes to ANTHROPOLOGY or MOOSE THE MOOCHE or I GOT or FLINTSTONES or any of the multitude of other tunes that use the same harmonic framework.

    Cause it's not like you're playing the bass part to OLEO (like you'd play the bass part to SMOKE ON THE WATER); you're playing a line based on the chord changes that responds to what the other musicians are playing.

    It's like driving from San Diego to LA, if you are from around that area there's a buncha ways you can go depending on whether you want to get there the fastest or take the most scenic route or route that is longer but has less traffic or that takes you through the mountains or whatever. But if this is the first time you are behind the wheel of a car, well you see where I'm going...
     
  6. SanDiegoHarry

    SanDiegoHarry Banned Supporting Member

    Aug 11, 2008
    San Diego, CA
    I get what you're saying - I know there are "no bass parts", as such, in jazz like this - it's an approach, not a part, so I'm not asking for someone to tell me "what to play" - just some suggestions as to approach - and I'm getting them.

    thx
     
  7. There has to be a a Jamie Aebersold book on Rhythmn changes. That would be a good place to build a foundation. Start slow and focus on how the chords naturally progress.
     
  8. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    NYC
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    OK.
    Good luck with that.
     
  9. Kobaia

    Kobaia

    Oct 29, 2005
    Denton TX
    Endorsing Artist: Aguilar Amp Gruv Gear and Mono Cases
    songs that have a blazing pace, its generaly good to find a pattern that you can just grab really quick.

    they way i've walked that tune is put the Bb on the E string under you pinky.

    now you have Bb G C F as you main progression.

    so |Bb-A-G-Bb|C-G-F-A|
    repeat that. then
    |Bb7|Eb7| a bar a piece

    then go up for the high |Bb-A-G-F|Eb-C-G-A|

    there is your A section. repeat that then the bridge is a cake walk

    good luck
     
  10. SanDiegoHarry

    SanDiegoHarry Banned Supporting Member

    Aug 11, 2008
    San Diego, CA
    Okay, not to sound like a complete dim-bulb here, but the pattern you describe - is that not a Bb7 pattern to begin with (thus making the Bb7 after it redundant) - or am I missing something?

    thx
     
  11. RHFusillo

    RHFusillo Supporting Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    Phoenix, AZ
    This reminds me of a pianist acquaintance of mine in NY who was in a hospital and had room 1625. He wrote a letter to the hospital administrators requesting a hipper room number.
     
  12. SanDiegoHarry

    SanDiegoHarry Banned Supporting Member

    Aug 11, 2008
    San Diego, CA
    at least it wasn't room 145...
     
  13. synaesthesia

    synaesthesia

    Apr 13, 2004
    UK
    Get the Aebersold Rhythm changes vol. 47 , or any book on the same subject - learn the substitutions well, because they can give you all the variance you need in walking the changes.

    This site might be useful too:
    http://people.uncw.edu/russellr/rhythm.html
     
  14. IconBasser

    IconBasser Scuba Viking Supporting Member

    Feb 28, 2007
    Alta Loma, California
    YEP! when I used to play that song, my guitarist would play the flintstones theme right in the middle of his solo. It actually worked beautifully!
     
  15. Kobaia

    Kobaia

    Oct 29, 2005
    Denton TX
    Endorsing Artist: Aguilar Amp Gruv Gear and Mono Cases
    the A is a Major 7th of Bb. so its BbMaj7 to G7 to A-7 to F7

    then there is a 2-5 of I into the 2-5 of IV so its basicaly I IV or Bb Eb


    what ever thats the way i think of it
     
  16. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification

    No, it's Bbmaj7 to Gm7 to Am7 to F7. That's a I-vi-ii-V for those keeping score at home.
     
  17. Kobaia

    Kobaia

    Oct 29, 2005
    Denton TX
    Endorsing Artist: Aguilar Amp Gruv Gear and Mono Cases
    the Changes are G7. I'm adding a #9 tension on it which is diatonic to the chord that would naturally fall on the VI- chord in the key of Bb. so its is a G7(#9).

    you know for those keeping score at home
     
  18. Pacman

    Pacman Layin' Down Time Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 1, 2000
    Omaha, Nebraska
    Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification

    I don't know where you're getting your changes, but a 1-vi-ii-V is far more common for Rhythm changes...
     
  19. Kobaia

    Kobaia

    Oct 29, 2005
    Denton TX
    Endorsing Artist: Aguilar Amp Gruv Gear and Mono Cases
    I'm fairly sure its V7/II- in the Realbook
    opmwlu.
     
  20. G7 is common in rythm changes. Then you can walk (2 beats per notes): Bb B C F. The B being the 3rd of G7.
     

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