I understand, that's what your thread is about. I just wanted to comment on a couple of posts you had concerning the use of a 112 and 115. I'm sure you'll enjoy the use of 2-210's and the portability.
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ONE 4x10 or TWO 2x10's?
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I understand, that's what your thread is about. I just wanted to comment on a couple of posts you had concerning the use of a 112 and 115. I'm sure you'll enjoy the use of 2-210's and the portability.
yeah, more speaker surface usually equates to more volume
dude no way, not when stairs are involved. lots of nyc clubs have stairs, and our practice room is down a flight too. not to mention all the parties in crazy spaces ive played on tour. lots of weird hills and stairs and things. the weight wasnt bad with my old rig (eden wt400, 1x15 and a 112), but it wasnt loud enuf
that 96 lb 4x10 is ROUGH going up and down stairs all night!
thanks for your opinions everybody (im the original poster), it's all super helpful. it does seem like two 2x10's are the way to go. maybe time to sell the new aguilar 4x10
here we go again...lol
My experience has shown otherwise. I have two cabinet rigs - a 210 and a 112 that I use together, and a 410 that I use alone. The 210 and 112 each weigh much more than half as much as the 410, and I can't carry both of them at once. When I gig with the 410 (which has casters), I can load in in one trip by stacking my head and pedalboard on top of the cabinet and using the backpack straps on my bass case. If I use the two smaller cabs, I am guranteed at least one extra trip. So, I generally gig with my 410 and the 210/112 stays at the studio.
I will say, though, that the vertical stacking thing on the small cabs is the bomb. My rig sounds the best that way.
This is an interesting thread for me.. A few years ago I sold my Ampeg Batmobile style 410 and bought an EA NL-210. I love the sound but every once in a while it would be nice to have a little more when we're playing outside. The tone is very good and I've often wondered what would be the best bet, get another NL-210 and stack them vertically or get their NM-410 and use that(expensive option).
The 210 cabinet I have is so much more portable than the old 410 even though that cabinet had casters, it weighed around 120lbs. I do see your point about making one trip turn into two by having two cabinets but if you only add one when it's really needed, a modular setup I think it could work well..
The 210 cabinet I have is so much more portable than the old 410 even though that cabinet had casters, it weighed around 120lbs. I do see your point about making one trip turn into two by having two cabinets but if you only add one when it's really needed, a modular setup I think it could work well..
hey guys i have also thought abuot this rig and with everyone here saying that it works very well, i was wondering what exactly "stack them vertically" means? like just stack them as you would a 210 and 115 type stack? or turn them longways and put them on top of eachother so you have a stack that is as tall as an 8x10?
please explain
please explain
alexclaber
Commercial User
I used to run 2 2x10's stacked vertically like that. maller stage foot print and taller profile to get that top 10 up closer to your ears. Makes for better monitoring and theoretically less combing out front. For 2 2x10's it's the way to fly.
I recently migrated to a Schroeder 410R though so whaddoo I know.
I recently migrated to a Schroeder 410R though so whaddoo I know.
It was a tough choice between going with a single HS410 or a pair of HS210. The 4x10 is less expensive, and on level ground it's easy to push around on casters. But I went with the pair of 2x10 because it's easier to carry up stairs, and I get the option to stack vertically as shown.
yeah rawr000 sry about stealing the thread a little, but thanks alot guys. I think ill go with the 2 210 idea when I swap out.
hey, this might be the worst question to ask on TB but what do the letters in G.A.S stand for. I know what it means but what does it stand for?
pardon my idiocracy
pardon my idiocracy
Best solution.....410+210....small, medium, large. If you have Epifani gear, that's 57lbs.+38Lbs. Ask Mr. Fuzzbass.conversely, im gonna have to put in more $$ selling my 4x10 for a pair of 2x10's
Oddly, they only make the NM-410 in an 8 ohm configuration. Personally I think they would sell more of them in 4 ohms- they would already have sold one to me - but I exchanged emails with them about that, and they seem convicted that there is more demand for the 8-ohm version.
I am not sure that an 8 ohm 410 would provide enough push. I had an 8 ohm 212 (an Avatar), and while it sounded great I had to pair it with another 8 ohm cab to get adequate sould levels for performance.
I never gave the speaker load a whole lot of thought. Right now my NL-210 is an 8 ohm version and I'm driving it with a Crown MacroTech 1200 bridged which should give it about 900 watts according to the specs in the Crown manual. This has always worked great.
Question? If I drop the load that the amp sees by 50% I should in theory nearly double the output of the amp(not quite in my case but close) this should increase my level by 3db. The 410 cabinet in this case the NM 410 is rated 3db higher 1 watt 1 meter rating, 103db vs 100 for the NL-210.
With this in mind will the more efficent 410 play louder than two less efficent 210's even if their combinded load is lower and more "correct" for a solid state amp???
Question? If I drop the load that the amp sees by 50% I should in theory nearly double the output of the amp(not quite in my case but close) this should increase my level by 3db. The 410 cabinet in this case the NM 410 is rated 3db higher 1 watt 1 meter rating, 103db vs 100 for the NL-210.
With this in mind will the more efficent 410 play louder than two less efficent 210's even if their combinded load is lower and more "correct" for a solid state amp???
Excellent point and question, Dave, and it is beyond my knowledge to answer with authority. I do agree that, with the wattage you are bringing, that you would have the ability to run 8 ohms successfully. I assumed you were probably running a typical 500 to 800 watt (@ 4 ohms) head and did not read through the thread if you said otherwise.
alexclaber
Commercial User
According to these specs two NL-210 cabs will exhibit a combined sensitivity of 103dB, the same as the NM-410, as two matched cabs will gain 3dB over one of those cabs alone. The real figures for both are a good few dB lower but that's a different kettle of fish...
Alex
