Orange AD200 or a Traynor YBA 300, looking for the next fun head to try out for some classic rock,
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Orange AD200 or a Traynor YBA 300
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If the AD200B is enough power for you, it's hard to beat. No DI on it tho
The YBA300 is a beast, but to my knowledge, won't break up as nicely, or the same .
The YBA300 is a beast, but to my knowledge, won't break up as nicely, or the same .
I haven't played the orange but the yba300 is a huge thick sounding beast. And yes it's pretty clean for a tube amp but remember when you're at the point that a tube amp is breaking up, you're out of gas. It's mostly just more dirt from there out.
No personal experience with the traynor but the YBA-300 is basically traynors SVT, so from that perspective I can kind of address the question you’re asking.
Do you want a flatter preamp or the orange/fender voicing? Do you need the extra power or features of the traynor?
I gig my AD200 way more than my SVT. Both sound great, but the orange is like half the weight. The weight issue goes away with the traynor though so it comes down to some of the other things. The voicing or the orange will either work for you or won’t. I find it sits very nicely in the mix with a lot of basses but I do tend to prefer it with single pickup instruments. The flexibility of the bax/mid type preamp on the SVT makes it a better choice for getting some tones, and I imagine the YBA-300 would have that advantage as well.
The lack of a DI out on the orange can be an issue. I usually have a country man type 85 in my bag as an option.
Do you want a flatter preamp or the orange/fender voicing? Do you need the extra power or features of the traynor?
I gig my AD200 way more than my SVT. Both sound great, but the orange is like half the weight. The weight issue goes away with the traynor though so it comes down to some of the other things. The voicing or the orange will either work for you or won’t. I find it sits very nicely in the mix with a lot of basses but I do tend to prefer it with single pickup instruments. The flexibility of the bax/mid type preamp on the SVT makes it a better choice for getting some tones, and I imagine the YBA-300 would have that advantage as well.
The lack of a DI out on the orange can be an issue. I usually have a country man type 85 in my bag as an option.
I see lack of DI as a possible issue, so whats so hard about sticking a mic in front of cab?
Just curious, no snark intended.
Tons of acts at the venues I work mic their gear during fest season, and I hardly use DI personally outside the house.
Just curious, no snark intended.
Tons of acts at the venues I work mic their gear during fest season, and I hardly use DI personally outside the house.
I used the AD200B with either 1 or 2 OBC115’s. There is a 1/4” out, I’ve had venues use that have used that with a DI box to send to FOH. Others that mic’ed the cab.
I had one venue who mic’d me up, and talked to me after about how good the sound was. His theory is that no DI means Orange wants the cab mic’s up instead.
I used the AD200B with other cabs and it’s just good. Use it with the OBC115 and it’s a whole other beast. If you have a cab already and want to use it, I’d probably give the Traynor a stab. You want to go all in on Orange and get the 115, or a pair of them. Do that. You won’t regret it.
I had one venue who mic’d me up, and talked to me after about how good the sound was. His theory is that no DI means Orange wants the cab mic’s up instead.
I used the AD200B with other cabs and it’s just good. Use it with the OBC115 and it’s a whole other beast. If you have a cab already and want to use it, I’d probably give the Traynor a stab. You want to go all in on Orange and get the 115, or a pair of them. Do that. You won’t regret it.
When I was still gigging I played my Cirrus (USA 5 string with chromes) through the YBA300 and an Ampeg Heritage 810. Glorious imho at all loudness levels. I gigged the Traynor through my Fearful 15/6/1 exactly once. Could not get enough stage volume in a 5 piece country rock band without distorting. So I believe cabinet efficiency was crippling me. This was before I added HPF to my chain and the band broke up before I had a chance to try again so I still don't know how to use the Traynor with a lower efficiency cabinet. But when I enter full time geezerhood in a few years and can no longer lift 50 pounds I'll buy a forklift before I sell the Traynor/810. Already have a truck and trailer to haul it.
For me , Classic rock = Traynor or Ampeg.
I would personally use the mentioned Orange amp if I was to play some Weezer's songs.
I would personally use the mentioned Orange amp if I was to play some Weezer's songs.
I had a couple of Traynor amps back in the 70s and they were awesome and reliable. I played in a band with a guitarist who also used a Traynor and he loved his too.
I don't know how the newer Traynor amps sound or hold up but those older ones are hard to beat.
I don't know how the newer Traynor amps sound or hold up but those older ones are hard to beat.
I personally use an Electric Power Unit. Not quite the same thing as the Orange, but its in the same house IMO. It's a great pedal platform but I'm not sure if you use pedals or not. I think either would be great. I play original hard rock for the most part. Sorry, but the comment about "pick the Orange only if you plan to play Weezer" was a stupid comment. Just my opinion. It's much more broad than that. Not sure if they were joking....
Never played the Traynor or heard it in person so I can't speak much on it even though I'm a fan as I've heard plenty rave about it. I think either would be a safe bet. I would think availability and or price would be a deciding factor maybe? But again, that's just how my brain thinks.
Never played the Traynor or heard it in person so I can't speak much on it even though I'm a fan as I've heard plenty rave about it. I think either would be a safe bet. I would think availability and or price would be a deciding factor maybe? But again, that's just how my brain thinks.
OP, be aware the Traynor has 12 power tubes. They’re biased in pairs which means you can replace weak or failed tubes two at a time. Still, food for thought.
orange is cool, sounds decent, but is made in china (like most things these days… not a negative really).
traynor is made in canada and is a beast. and 12 tubes is cool af. ampeg style eq… big bottom, glass highs, scooped or grinding mids… it is all there. big round clean sound. my choice because… and i am shock i am about to type this… i think modern digital distortion is superior. i like the headroom but tube warmth.
my traynor yba 200 was more of a orange vibe sound (fender tone stack) and could be pushed to break up pretty easy. it is mid cut only so it is poorly understood. 2/10/2 is flat eq.
the yba100 is a gem… a 300 in every way, just 100w. so more reasonable to push for tube distortion.
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I would say check out the Traynor YBA-200... it is a great amp! It takes a while to understand it but is a great rock amp with a nice on the verge tone.. and cheap for you in the states!
Just run from the slave output on the back of the amp into a basic d.i. box and you should be fine.
Bassbeginner ,
Everything said in this thread about the Traynor YBA300 is accurate. It's ultra clean, very little to no breakup at all. Super clean at high volume. 51lbs thanks to it's torrodial power transformer. You get some serious thick power tube saturation at high volumes, a ton of infrasonic frequencies to the point you don't need to boost the bass knob at all, likely voiced that way as one would expect to use it with an 810, or bigger...
Don't let the 12 valves scare you. It can run on a single pair if you had to, though at reduced power. The 6L6GC valves are nowhere near as expensive as other variants. JJs would sound perfectly fine. No need for extra power with EL34s. Peak wattage is rated 350-400W according to Mike at Traynor CA. Herb at Yorkville NY is also a great guy for parts support too.
I got my eye on an SVT-CL. My hope is one day I can do a shootout with all three...
Ampeg SVT Classic vs The Canadian SVT vs The SVT Killer. It will be epic!
Everything said in this thread about the Traynor YBA300 is accurate. It's ultra clean, very little to no breakup at all. Super clean at high volume. 51lbs thanks to it's torrodial power transformer. You get some serious thick power tube saturation at high volumes, a ton of infrasonic frequencies to the point you don't need to boost the bass knob at all, likely voiced that way as one would expect to use it with an 810, or bigger...
Don't let the 12 valves scare you. It can run on a single pair if you had to, though at reduced power. The 6L6GC valves are nowhere near as expensive as other variants. JJs would sound perfectly fine. No need for extra power with EL34s. Peak wattage is rated 350-400W according to Mike at Traynor CA. Herb at Yorkville NY is also a great guy for parts support too.
I got my eye on an SVT-CL. My hope is one day I can do a shootout with all three...
Ampeg SVT Classic vs The Canadian SVT vs The SVT Killer. It will be epic!
The YBA300 is a beast for sure. It will definitely give you a warm tube sound with a little breakup but not at a grunge level. Still my favorite amp of all time and still gigging with it for blues/rock. With no pedals. The DI is great also. I run a mesa 6x10 PH cab for me and DI to the in-ears/FOH/monitors.
Depends a bit on what you’re getting for tubes I suppose but price wise 12x 6L6GC will usually be fairly comparable to 6x 6550 from the same brand/product line.
Using JJ pricing as they’re some of the cheaper ones available right now, but AES has single tubes at $26.95, matched pairs at $56.90, matched sextets at $170.70, and if you do the extra burn in a sextet is $179.40. My past experiences with retail JJs I would absolutely pay the extra $10 for extended burn in with those. So that’s $358.80 for two matched sextets.
For JJ 6550 you’re looking at $56.95 each, $116.90/pair, $350.70/sextet, or $359.40 for a burned in sextet.
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