Origin Effects BassRig Ampeg B15 Fliptop recreation

[wolffire99]

Here’s my thoughts…
I’ve owned the ‘64 and SV in the past and now own the Fifteen. IMO, the Fifteen does clean tones and edge of break-up the best. The SV did driven sounds the best. I wanted to love The ‘64, but I felt the clean tones were a bit lacking and driven tones were too dark/hairy. However, I did enjoy the differences in the black/tweed switch. I also prefer that the cab sim can be turned off on the Fifteen.

Haven’t owned the SV but I do prefer the 64’s straight clean tone and its mid control to the Fifteen. It’s much closer to the Motown/Jamerson sound (yes I know that was usually direct).

For breakup or driven tones, and most other genres the Fifteen wins hands down.

 

[kenny ames]

Here’s my thoughts…
I’ve owned the ‘64 and SV in the past and now own the Fifteen. IMO, the Fifteen does clean tones and edge of break-up the best. The SV did driven sounds the best. I wanted to love The ‘64, but I felt the clean tones were a bit lacking and driven tones were too dark/hairy. However, I did enjoy the differences in the black/tweed switch. I also prefer that the cab sim can be turned off on the Fifteen.

Encouraging to hear the Fifteen excelling at clean and edge of break up the best. Pretty much were I live.

Felt the same with the ‘64. In theory, it should have been the champ between the SV and it. Concur the black/tweed were usable options.

And being able to turn off the cab-sim of importance. Guessing OE might implement that in future builds of the SV and ‘64.

Thanks for your reply.

 

[kenny ames]

I've owned all three and agree with this 100%. I would add that the SV cab sim is the most pleasing, IME.

10-4 that.

Wonderful meeting you yesterday.

 

[kenny ames]

It's why I stopped trying to emulate a B-15 - I did it so many ways (example: power amp, power tube sim, P-15 ... and that didn't have a speaker sim).

From a preamp perspective, the P-15 got very close. One note: the output was HOT. Recording with it was not always fun for engineers.

Still intrigued with the P-15.

Bulk of work is live. Mostly fly dates. Lugging a Fatboy tube di is taxing enough. Can’t imagine a P-15. But if the tone is there I’ll figure out a way.

For the half-dozen tracking season I’ll do a year the producers/engineers can pull their hair out.

 

[kenny ames]

Haven’t owned the SV but I do prefer the 64’s straight clean tone and its mid control to the Fifteen. It’s much closer to the Motown/Jamerson sound (yes I know that was usually direct).

For breakup or driven tones, and most other genres the Fifteen wins hands down.

From my experience with the ‘64, because it’s a Fender tone stack, the mids needed to be cranked to emulate a flat position.

If you could only have one, ‘64 or Fifteen, what would be your choice? Thanks!

 

[fclefgeoff]

Here is a short loop/recording I made this morning. Bass is Modulus VJ4 with Barts and TI flats into OE15 direct with cab sim on and no other effects, eq, etc. This was recorded on my iPad in AUM. I’m using ‘Patterning 3’ to sequence the midi and ‘One Shot’ and ‘Rum’ by Klevgrand for the drum sounds. The riff is stolen from King Floyd.

 

[kenny ames]

Here is a short loop/recording I made this morning. Bass is Modulus VJ4 with Barts and TI flats into OE15 direct with cab sim on and no other effects, eq, etc. This was recorded on my iPad in AUM. I’m using ‘Patterning 3’ to sequence the midi and ‘One Shot’ by Klevgrand for the drum sounds. The riff is stolen from King Floyd.

Thanks for the effort.

For me, I really need to hear something in a mix with other instruments.

Where the frequencies fall in relation to other instruments. Kick drum, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, keys etc…

Where it lays in a mix.

Sounds good.

 

[rickbissonnette]

From my experience with the ‘64, because it’s a Fender tone stack, the mids needed to be cranked to emulate a flat position.

If you could only have one, ‘64 or Fifteen, what would be your choice? Thanks!

I've had both, and fifteen is my choice.

 

[wolffire99]

From my experience with the ‘64, because it’s a Fender tone stack, the mids needed to be cranked to emulate a flat position.

If you could only have one, ‘64 or Fifteen, what would be your choice? Thanks!

Fifteen for sure. Fits more genres, sits in a busier mix better, better drive, and bypass cabsim.

 

[fclefgeoff]

I've had both, and fifteen is my choice.

Same.

 

[kenny ames]

Well, in a weird turn of events, a local fellow (Nashville), posted one for sale. He couldn’t make peace with it and didn’t feel like going through all the hassle returning it, so I’m picking it up off him tomorrow for $450.

Figured at that price I can’t go wrong.

Eager to begin and report back.

 

[arepa_funk]

Has anyone used the Fifteen through a 1x15 cab? If you have, do you bypass the cabsim and go through a power amp so that the Fifteen is the only EQ and drive source?

 

[sunbeast]

Has anyone used the Fifteen through a 1x15 cab? If you have, do you bypass the cabsim and go through a power amp so that the Fifteen is the only EQ and drive source?

The cabsim is only on the XLR out, and in my experience the 1/4" out has enough output to drive a power amp while the DI (mic level) probably wouldn't. I suspect most people are running it with the 1/4" out into a stage amp, at which point the "Amp EQ" section is meant to try to match your 1/4" out sound through your stage amp to the sound of the DI with the cabsim engaged.

 

[arepa_funk]

The cabsim is only on the XLR out, and in my experience the 1/4" out has enough output to drive a power amp while the DI (mic level) probably wouldn't. I suspect most people are running it with the 1/4" out into a stage amp, at which point the "Amp EQ" section is meant to try to match your 1/4" out sound through your stage amp to the sound of the DI with the cabsim engaged.

Got it, that's really helpful! Thank you. Does that mean the 1/4" out would be through the FX return of the stage amp to bypass the stage amp's tone stack?

 

[sunbeast]

The more I play with the Fifteen the more I love it- there is such a sweetness to its midrange even at lighter audible drive settings and I love how relatively subtle the EQ is and how it interacts with the drive character. It sounds nice for chording too (holds things together nicely without too much fuzz), and very dynamic without getting harsh when set around the edge of breakup.

I ended up picking up a Super Vintage on sale on a whim based on my first impressions of the Fifteen and it's been very interesting comparing them (so far mostly through the 1/4" out used as preamps rather than via DI with Cabsim). They are very different, even set clean and "flat"- I was expecting more similarity at low gain given the shared DNA but each has pretty inherent character. I really like them both in different ways- the Fifteen has more of that midrange sweetness and overall clarity while the Super Vintage is generally more chunky in the lows and low-mids and relies more on the Mid control for different response (I actually don't miss the lack of Mid on the Fifteen). The sound range available from the Super Vintage is MUCH broader, alot more fat and alot more top available, not to mention all the mid control. At edge of breakup settings the Fifteen retains that sweetness and seems to retain more dynamics while the Super Vintage gets aggressive/crunchy much faster (this becomes very obvious when digging in while playing chords)- this may just be about not hearing the saturation I the Super Vintage as easily so needing to start at a lower Drive setting to begin with. The Super Vintage low-gain range is definitely smaller and more touchy to dial in (the taper of the Drive puts alot of change in a very small tweak of the control in the area from 9-12 o'clock, the Fifteen low-gain is easier to dial in for me).

They are both really nice. Was hoping I'd have an obvious preference but I'll clearly need some extensive band rehearsals. I feel like the Fifteen will be hard to let go of, it's just so nice to play though even if it didn't end up working in a band mix as well. Keeping both would be an expensive proposition!

 

[sunbeast]

Got it, that's really helpful! Thank you. Does that mean the 1/4" out would be through the FX return of the stage amp to bypass the stage amp's tone stack?

It can work as you say (which is mostly how I've been using mine so far through the FX Return of my Mesa WD-800), but would also work as an "FX pedal" run into the front of the amp- the Volume setting allows for a pretty wide output level to fit either approach. So far I've liked it so much as a preamp that I've barely tried running it through the front of the amp.

 

[kenny ames]

The more I play with the Fifteen the more I love it- there is such a sweetness to its midrange even at lighter audible drive settings and I love how relatively subtle the EQ is and how it interacts with the drive character. It sounds nice for chording too (holds things together nicely without too much fuzz), and very dynamic without getting harsh when set around the edge of breakup.

I ended up picking up a Super Vintage on sale on a whim based on my first impressions of the Fifteen and it's been very interesting comparing them (so far mostly through the 1/4" out used as preamps rather than via DI with Cabsim). They are very different, even set clean and "flat"- I was expecting more similarity at low gain given the shared DNA but each has pretty inherent character. I really like them both in different ways- the Fifteen has more of that midrange sweetness and overall clarity while the Super Vintage is generally more chunky in the lows and low-mids and relies more on the Mid control for different response (I actually don't miss the lack of Mid on the Fifteen). The sound range available from the Super Vintage is MUCH broader, alot more fat and alot more top available, not to mention all the mid control. At edge of breakup settings the Fifteen retains that sweetness and seems to retain more dynamics while the Super Vintage gets aggressive/crunchy much faster (this becomes very obvious when digging in while playing chords)- this may just be about not hearing the saturation I the Super Vintage as easily so needing to start at a lower Drive setting to begin with. The Super Vintage low-gain range is definitely smaller and more touchy to dial in (the taper of the Drive puts alot of change in a very small tweak of the control in the area from 9-12 o'clock, the Fifteen low-gain is easier to dial in for me).

They are both really nice. Was hoping I'd have an obvious preference but I'll clearly need some extensive band rehearsals. I feel like the Fifteen will be hard to let go of, it's just so nice to play though even if it didn't end up working in a band mix as well. Keeping both would be an expensive proposition!

Are you preferring the SV in a live situation over the Fifteen?

 

[sunbeast]

Are you preferring the SV in a live situation over the Fifteen?

I haven’t had a gig since I got the Fifteen or Super Vintage, and my main band has mostly been focused on mixing and finishing a recently recorded album rather than rehearsals so I’ve only been able to compare at home so far. It was actually this recording experience that made the Fifteen super attractive as my DI’d tracks were needing amp/cab-sim in the box. Based on past experience I’m sure a lot of the sweeter character of the Fifteen will get lost in a live band mix, but remains to be seen. I already have other drive pedals I dig, so either pedal would mostly be for the feel and polish at the end as well as cab-sim to FOH and for recording. We record all our rehearsals so I will get to compare the DIs that way.

 

[kenny ames]

I haven’t had a gig since I got the Fifteen or Super Vintage, and my main band has mostly been focused on mixing and finishing a recently recorded album rather than rehearsals so I’ve only been able to compare at home so far. It was actually this recording experience that made the Fifteen super attractive as my DI’d tracks were needing amp/cab-sim in the box. Based on past experience I’m sure a lot of the sweeter character of the Fifteen will get lost in a live band mix, but remains to be seen. I already have other drive pedals I dig, so either pedal would mostly be for the feel and polish at the end as well as cab-sim to FOH and for recording. We record all our rehearsals so I will get to compare the DIs that way.

10-4 that.

Appreciate your reply.

 

[FenderP]

Still intrigued with the P-15.

Bulk of work is live. Mostly fly dates. Lugging a Fatboy tube di is taxing enough. Can’t imagine a P-15. But if the tone is there I’ll figure out a way.

For the half-dozen tracking season I’ll do a year the producers/engineers can pull their hair out.

The P-15 is not small I wouldn't say it is very travel friendly in general.