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Origin Effects BASSRIG
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Depends where you stand in the room, the ambient temperature, what you're wearing and what you had for breakfast.
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very good. It did make me think of this, though:
Albert Einstein has a famous quote: "In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not".
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Thanks! The TX just sounds fantastic at 18V when the transformer kicks in. It's quite a difference to me so that's why I'm uncertain about the CB. Well, I'll let my ears decide.
SS vs. Tubes. I think theres a lot to be said for the logic of getting 95% of the tone for 50% the cost, size and weight. I have a tube DI right now (REDDI) and I think it's amazing. It "feels" like playing an amp. Does it really? IDK, maybe I just by into the hype, but it sure sounds nice.
I am very close to trying a '64. I don't use the really driven, broken up sound of the Vintage. It would be smaller and use the last available spot on my CIOKS DC5 power supply and fit with the rest of my stuff (tuner, compressor) on my Nano. I LOVE my REDDI, but the option to carry only my Nano in it's bag and not the REDDI and Nano in a Pelican case (which works well) is appealing. 95% of sound, reduce the carry by 50%. Makes sense.
I am very close to trying a '64. I don't use the really driven, broken up sound of the Vintage. It would be smaller and use the last available spot on my CIOKS DC5 power supply and fit with the rest of my stuff (tuner, compressor) on my Nano. I LOVE my REDDI, but the option to carry only my Nano in it's bag and not the REDDI and Nano in a Pelican case (which works well) is appealing. 95% of sound, reduce the carry by 50%. Makes sense.
I'd go with Blue whale in the room - even bigger and more awkward than a tiny elephant.
Is it though? What exactly makes this a big issue or awkward?
jacoby75
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Not to get off topic here, but I have experienced many SS pedals that do a pretty good job of imparting that tube feel and tonal magic without actual tubes. It's never quite the same, but very close and certainly passable for anything I would encounter. The issue more for me tends to be that difficult-to-quantify "weight", "heft", and "3D quality" imparted by large transformers in things like the REDDI, Broughton SSDI, rackmount units, etc., that is nigh impossible to recreate in a solid state unit. It's a physical manifestation of having large transformers and quality tubes. It's a subtle thing, but once you hear it/feel it, you don't want to do without it. I wonder if adding something like a couple of Lightning Boy transformers in front of the BASSRIG might mitigate that perceived loss of weight and heft. (Assuming there actually is a perceived loss in comparison to heavier tube gear, since I have yet to actually perceive either of the BASSRIGs in person.)
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I agree with most of this. It's probably why I still have my REDDI. The difference between good preamps/DI's is pretty subtle, especially when you get to the $500 and up range. Different flavors of great tone. The difference is usually/mostly personal taste. When I had a U5 years ago, people swore it had a tube. The demos of these pedals are pretty awesome. I think in a live situation for FOH there would be very little difference and you'd have to really listen for it. I think the prevalence of IEM use feeds the quest for tone as much as anything. One really wants a fantastic tone when it's piped directly to your ear. Far different from wedges and amp cabs. I think IEM's is where I get picky and where one can actually hear those "subtle" differences.
I think it all ties to the debate of what's "good enough" for the live FOH mix, what's "good enough" for your IEM's and what's "good enough" in the studio. I'm guessing that these BASSRIG's are probably "good enough" for most of these situations. I haven't tried one myself (yet) so I can't directly compare.
Off to listen to more demos and reviews...
Thanks! The TX just sounds fantastic at 18V when the transformer kicks in. It's quite a difference to me so that's why I'm uncertain about the CB. Well, I'll let my ears decide.
dont expect them to sound the same and you won't be disappointed. If you try to compare them, you will be.
The CB is a killer comp. Just different.
Even though you lose that special TX sound, the HPF helps to balance the level of compression across all strings so it does have its advantages (until a Cali76 Bass TX comes out…)Thanks! The TX just sounds fantastic at 18V when the transformer kicks in. It's quite a difference to me so that's why I'm uncertain about the CB. Well, I'll let my ears decide.
I would prefer a switched 1/4" output that could be either unaffected or effected. It would be fun to bypass the amp's preamp and feed the power section direct from the pedal.
The deeply held beliefs - whether (or not) you can get a solid state circuit to sound like tubes is like politics or religion in how steadfastly people stick to their views.
I didn't have anything with tubes until maybe 3 years ago? Started with an LA-1A compressor. Wow. Then added a REDDI. Wow. Got rid of the LA-1A and use an Empress now. I never bought into the hype but there sure seems to be something (even subtle) about the REDDI. I know it may just be me hearing what I am "supposed" to hear, but the singer, sound guy, everyone noticed when I changed over. The test is, of course, to get a '64 and try it (covertly if possible) and see what anyone says or if anyone notices. And as I said before, it could very well be "good enough" to replace larger, heavier and more expensive gear. I'm not a pro, but I do like to have the best gear that I need/can afford to use.
Sorry to get off topic a little.
Hi there gents,
Serial number #100 got here today and here are two sound clips of my bass with the Bassrig off and engaged after a quick dialing.
Settings for the recording are the ones on the picture and both clips are also through a Cali76-CB.
Edit : Added three new clips as I realized that having the blend knob not fully counterclockwise didn't give all the true colour of the Bassrig. I used the Motor City settings with a bit more bass and did a run with more drive and another with the fat toggle to neutral.
Will test it on the gig in a couple of days when we resume touring.
Best!
Serial number #100 got here today and here are two sound clips of my bass with the Bassrig off and engaged after a quick dialing.
Settings for the recording are the ones on the picture and both clips are also through a Cali76-CB.
Edit : Added three new clips as I realized that having the blend knob not fully counterclockwise didn't give all the true colour of the Bassrig. I used the Motor City settings with a bit more bass and did a run with more drive and another with the fat toggle to neutral.
Will test it on the gig in a couple of days when we resume touring.
Best!
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jacoby75
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Maybe it's my headphones, or the Soundcloud compression, but the difference between off and on seems pretty subtle to me. I mean, it's noticeable no doubt, but not quite the difference I was expecting.
Edit: Through iPhone earbuds, the deeper bass of the engaged clip is definitely more noticeable than it was through my IEM's. I still expected more. Maybe that's the nature of the fender tone stack vs the Ampeg-style EQ.
On a side note, does the '64 incorporate a true Fender tone stack? Is "flat" with the bass and treble at minimum and mids maxed? Or is noon flat for both models?
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That question often gets asked with pedals like this, and on amps that don't show frequencies. I like one answer I saw where you should just adjust until it sounds good and not worry about the frequencies.
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