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People wanting to use your rig

I let another guy use my bass and rig- ONCE. I will never forget it- I was assured by the lady who hired us-" Oh this guy's band is great, let them play a couple of songs- they are "Pros") So he plays three songs, no problems.
Then this idiot slings my bass behind his back and starts bowing to the audience. (Why he is bowing to an audience of 4 of his friends and a 3 drunk dive bar patrons I have no idea)- The only problem is he is short little guy, so he bangs the crap out of my headstock.

And here is the kicker- not even an "I'm sorry about that man"- he acted like it was the most normal thing in the world. I was held down from doing some re-arranging on his face by my bandmates.

Yeah, maybe once upon a time people helped each other out , but back then people probably had a lot more respect for others. Those days are done.
 
Did not read all the replies, but some good responses. Overwhelming response was don't loan out your gear. But not everyone addressed how to refuse without sounding like a d#ck. So here are couple of suggestions (and props to those who may have already mentioned these ideas):

1) Assuming you let them use your old rig (which is at a different location):
They need to come pick it up and return it on specific date(s). When you tell your singer they can use it, up front also tell him they can pick it up on this date(s) and you need it back by this date NO later. You can make up excuse that you need it for rehearsal, other gig, renting it out or even loaning out to other friend. The point is you need it back by a certain date. The point is to give them a deadline to accommodate your schedule since you are doing THEM a favor. When you give people carte blance, they tend to undervalue what you are doing for them. When you put boundaries on it, people start to value it.

Example, if your friend says "hey can you pick up my dry cleaning for me?" (which he should just do himself). If you reply "anytime, no problem", then he will place little value on it. However, if you reply "I have to work late tonight and then get to rehearsal, but I can try to do it after I get off work if it will really help you." You are not being a d#ck since you are still offering to do the favor, but he will realize and value the sacrifice you are making to help him out.

The second point of the deadline to return, is if they are not respectful enough to accommodate your schedule when you are doing them a huge favor, it gives you an out for next time they try to mooch. Next time they try to mooch, you can say "hey guys last time I loaned you the gear, I needed it back on Fri and you guys brought it back a week late. Sorry, can't loan it out to you this time."


2) Assuming you let them use either your old or new rig:
Before you offer the gear, talk face to face with your singer and ask him who is responsible for the gear if it gets damaged, stolen, etc? Your singer will probably throw some BS at you like Jerry (the other band bass player) will cover it and don't worry he is good for it. When he says that, then ask him to ask Jerry for a fully refundable deposit (for the full replacement cost of the rig or equiv price of used gear). Since Jerry is good for it, it should be no problem with Jerry funding the deposit. You are okay with Jerry using your gear but you need a deposit. It is FULLY refundable as long as the gear comes back in same condition as it left. You can point out that you are not even charging a rental fee and letting them use the gear for free (since you are such a nice guy), but you need some security because what happens if the gear gets damaged or stolen while out of your possession? You can also explain that you need a deposit because if something does happen, you don't want to have to play collection agency and chase down funds from people.


In both of the scenarios above you don't look like a d^ck because you are agreeing to do them a favor, but have a small, reasonable request on your side. Either a) they will not be able to meet your reasonable request, so you don't have to loan out your gear or b) they will be able to meet your request and at least you will be covered if the gear gets damaged.

Overall, be confident and firm. If you waiver or sound guilty, then they will think they are right and you are wrong. But if you are firm and believe in what you are saying (i.e. you truly believe it is fair for you to ask for deposit in exchange for letting your gear walk out the door), then they will believe it too.

Congrats on your new rig. Nice gear. Let us know how it goes.
 
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I will concur with most of the responses here.

I'm usually really cool about lending out anything I own... EXCEPT: guitars, amp & cabs, and motorcycles.

Those are three things that I NEVER borrow from anybody, and never lend out.

I have only lent out my guitars and amp rigs to my son. And he knows that if he takes my guitars and rig, everything is due back home that night, un-packed and in the house. My son also understands that if any of his buddies plays on my rig, he is responsible for any damages; and I will kick his @ss in a second.

I would never lend my equipment out to people I don't know know. Friends of friends (especially musicians) should never ask to borrow prime equipment that they cannot afford themselves.

I say to tell your lead singer that they can pick up your other rig and return it by a certain time. Then make sure that your singer will be financially responsible. In most cases when the person who is asking knows that he will be the one financially responsible, they will stop asking on other people's behalf.
 
Ok so I just paged through 7 pages to make sure this isn't the same thread I posted in a month ago. ....I have a simple solution to this that has a perfect track record. I simply say sure you can use my gear. You just have to give my a credit card to hold until you are through. Although this request has been greeted with some incredulity I assure them I am serious and point out that the amp cost $1200 the cab cost $1000 and so on to impress upon them this is not some pile of worthless crap. And I will not tolerate anyone useing it without producing a way to pay for it. In over 20+ years of using this approach I have never had anyone take me up on it. I also host jams and bring my third tier rig to use and have many times had people damage it, blown tweeters, speakers and so on and only once has anyone helped me pay for repairs and he was a friend who gave me about $40 towards a $100 speaker recone. So I know whereof I speak.
 
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I didn't read through 7 pages of responses (though I'm sure a lot of people agree with me), but I'm also on the page of being completely baffled by musicians who don't own their own gear. It reeks of inexperience/knowledge and no possible way of helping you out with costs if they are responsible for damaging anything.

On the same side, even the shows where it's recommended that we share gear, I'm completely uncomfortable with using someone else's rig. I don't want to be responsible if something happens with it on my time because I know the fear. The difference is I have a job that makes actual money and knowledge of gear that helps me to not blow anything up, but I'd still rather not take the chances. If I break my own stuff, fine. Someone else's, I'd feel totally guilty.
 
I didn't read through 7 pages of responses (though I'm sure a lot of people agree with me), but I'm also on the page of being completely baffled by musicians who don't own their own gear. It reeks of inexperience/knowledge and no possible way of helping you out with costs if they are responsible for damaging anything.
Slightly off topic, but it's strange how singers are totally oblivious to the thought of owning personal gear. When we started our current band, we had only limited resources, and really bad equipment. To help the singer along, I actually bought a SM58 microphone, which is now on permanent loan to the band for the lead singer. They don't seem to have any interest in actually turning knobs on the PA mixer either. Even during rehearsal they ask for more monitor and more reverb...
 
I'm in a lucky situation; my main giggging is with theatre productions, so the amp is always in a very controlled environment, played at a low level. In this regard, when people have subbed for me, I have allowed them to use my amp as a convenience. Everyone has been extremely responsible in this situation; heck, I used a guy's amp the last couple of Sundays in this environment and babied that thing. That said, I realize my situation is definitely not the norm.

In your situation, it depends. Mainly, when you lent out the (now) old rig last time, were they respectful of your property and did you get it back in the same - or better - condition that it was lent out to you in? If the answer anything but a resounding YES, then don't let them borrow it. OR, make them put down a refundable deposit, as well as have them come and get it. As for the new rig, I wouldn't let them borrow it.
 
I'm in a lucky situation; my main giggging is with theatre productions, so the amp is always in a very controlled environment, played at a low level. In this regard, when people have subbed for me, I have allowed them to use my amp as a convenience. Everyone has been extremely responsible in this situation; heck, I used a guy's amp the last couple of Sundays in this environment and babied that thing. That said, I realize my situation is definitely not the norm.

In your situation, it depends. Mainly, when you lent out the (now) old rig last time, were they respectful of your property and did you get it back in the same - or better - condition that it was lent out to you in? If the answer anything but a resounding YES, then don't let them borrow it. OR, make them put down a refundable deposit, as well as have them come and get it. As for the new rig, I wouldn't let them borrow it.
I was there when they used it and they were just fine. Im cool with them using my old rig. Its a pain, but sometimes you gotta be a friend.
 
I was there when they used it and they were just fine. Im cool with them using my old rig. Its a pain, but sometimes you gotta be a friend.

Good on you for doing it, but the whole "sometimes you gotta be a friend" mentality is not always the best rationale.