PERSONAL MONITOR SYSTEM

[ChrisPatterson]

Ok..I have a question guys. I know NOTHING about mixing boards or how to do this but a buddy of mine uses a little 2 channel mixer and a set of earbuds as his own little makeshift personal monitor system (just for his vocals) by running "an aux send from the board into his mixer and then running earbuds out of his mixer" Says it works great. All I want in the earbuds are the lead vocals, my vocals and maybe a fuzz of bass. Soo...I have an OLD Yamaha MT-50 4 track recorder that I am gonna try to use. If I come out of the aux send of the front of house mixing board, where do I go into the 4 track? At the top it only has LR STEREO OUT, LR MONITOR OUT, SYNC OUT, AUX SEND and LR AUX RETURN. Would I just go into a channel of the 4 track?

 

[BartmanPDX]

Ok..I have a question guys. I know NOTHING about mixing boards or how to do this but a buddy of mine uses a little 2 channel mixer and a set of earbuds as his own little makeshift personal monitor system (just for his vocals) by running "an aux send from the board into his mixer and then running earbuds out of his mixer" Says it works great. All I want in the earbuds are the lead vocals, my vocals and maybe a fuzz of bass. Soo...I have an OLD Yamaha MT-50 4 track recorder that I am gonna try to use. If I come out of the aux send of the front of house mixing board, where do I go into the 4 track? At the top it only has LR STEREO OUT, LR MONITOR OUT, SYNC OUT, AUX SEND and LR AUX RETURN. Would I just go into a channel of the 4 track?

Why not just get a Rolls PM351? Cheap, well-made, and will allow you to mix your vocals, bass, and an aux send from the board.

Then I have the signal from the PM351 running into a belt box (JumpAudio) which has a short (18") plug connecting it to my bass. Then there's a single cable that runs out to the Rolls with the bass signal, and has a stereo connection to your earbuds with the mixed signal from the Rolls. That way you're only tethered with one cable, and have a belt box to adjust volume and give yourself somewhere convenient to plug in the earbuds.

Rolls PM 351:
http://www.rolls.com/product.php?pid=PM351

Jumpaudio IXM box:
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I have one; gig with it every show.


Otherwise, i'd just use the aux return for the signal from the main board, then send the new board your bass and vocals to be mixed in.

The Rolls is super cheap and exceedingly portable though. The Jumpaudio isn't needed (you can just get a mini headphone extension cable to connect your earbuds to the Rolls), but it adds convenience.

 

[MNAirHead]

There's also a belt option for the pm351

 

[chrisp2u]

Just a note, using any type of IEM system/setup which does not have some sort of peak limiting is completely nuts. One bad feedback and your hearing could be irreparably damaged.
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c

 

[petesenkowski]

Just a note, using any type of IEM system/setup which does not have some sort of peak limiting is completely nuts. One bad feedback and your hearing could be irreparably damaged.
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c

Can you suggest an affordable peak limiter that would work with a generic IEM system?

Thanks,
Pete

 

[BartmanPDX]

Can you suggest an affordable peak limiter that would work with a generic IEM system?

Thanks,
Pete

Rolls makes one of those, too.

It's called the SL33 I think.

 

[mpdd]

i guess this isn't about ankle bracelets

 

[MNAirHead]

Sampson or old school art will be cheap

 

[petesenkowski]

Rolls makes one of those, too.

It's called the SL33 I think.

Thanks BartmanPDX,

I bought a Rolls SL33 last month. There was a delay in receiving it, so I didn't get a chance to gig with it until last weekend. I use it between a Rolls PM55 (like a PM351 but with 2 inputs instead of 3) and my FutureSonics IEMs. It seemed to work well; there was only one feedback event with no significant volume increase in my IEMs.

Someone questioned the SL33's effectiveness in another thread. Does anyone know of any possible problems with it? Again, my (very limited) experience is that it limits the feedback in my ears to reasonable levels.

Thanks,
Pete

 

[Larry McQueary]

Thanks for this thread and the suggestion of the PM351. I just got back into playing after about a decade off and am realizing my ears just can't take the pounding like they used to. I've been looking for a way to use IEMs for both instrument and vocals and voila, looks like this is it. I've been rehearsing with a few different groups lately, so an individual system like this is perfect. Now I just need to get the actual IEMs themselves, with custom earmolds, and I'm set.

 

[steveksux]

Thanks for this thread and the suggestion of the PM351. I just got back into playing after about a decade off and am realizing my ears just can't take the pounding like they used to. I've been looking for a way to use IEMs for both instrument and vocals and voila, looks like this is it. I've been rehearsing with a few different groups lately, so an individual system like this is perfect. Now I just need to get the actual IEMs themselves, with custom earmolds, and I'm set.

If you're going to the trouble/expense of custom molded earbuds, get a real IEM beltpack, which contains a properly configured limiter. Once you add PA/vocals you have possibility of feedback, especially if the other members use floor wedges. ESPECIALLY if you're playing with various people, some may be good at avoiding feedback, others may not know what they're doing, and you won't know until its too late.

Limiters are really essential once you are putting mics into your IEMs and have potential for feedback.

Randy

 

[TimmyP]

Yep, never use anything that does not have a protective limiter. Here are a few that do: : Link Removed, this: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.co...wired-Bodypack-for-PSM-400-Systems?sku=243606, and this Invalid Link Removed (although the limiter is a bit too accessible for my taste).