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Double Bass Phil Jones Cub and new Power cab

Matt Ides

Matt Ides

May 12, 2004
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I wanted to see if anyone has had the opportunity to use the cub and the twin power cab with it? I have been really happy with the Genz Benz Shuttle 3.0 8T, but would switch over to the cub now that I can use the matching powered cab PB-100. Not much information out there about it.

Thoughts, experiences, and any general info would be great.

Thanks,
Matt
 
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I've not had the opportunity yet to check out the PB-100 yet either, but use my Bass Cub quite a bit. The cub is great for what it was designed for, I just wish it was louder for some situations. Using the Fdeck with the cub gets a bit more volume, but a lot of bass is lost as volume increases.

If anyone does have a PB-100 and uses it with a cub, please post to inform the TB community. We want to know...

John
 
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The PB-300 is 250 watts, and the Cub is 100 watts. It's not really about that, though, IMO - the CUB is an undersized cabinet, so it only keeps the "Phil Jones Sound" up to a certain point, even with the fleck in front of it. But the PB-300 has a lot more internal room than the Super Flightcase even though they share the same power rating and same number of speakers, so it seems beefier power-wise. Hope that makes some sort of sense.... I think a lot of a speaker's sound comes from the design and size of the cabinet, and the PB-300 doesn't have to deal with the compromises in cabinet design that the Super Flightcase does (with its amp built into the top, and the two upward facing speakers).
 
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Another great use for the CUB emerged the past two days in the studio. Due to a complicated setup and too few booths for a largely live recording, we were forced to run a direct into the headphone mix only so that everyone could hear the bass better. The first day, they took the pickup straight into the board, and it sounded awful - that kind of 70's "pickup into the board at a live gig" sound. The second day, I brought the CUB and used it as a buffer/preamp for the same signal - the sound was gorgeous and fat, and it made the recording go a lot smoother for everyone. So, it also works as a great DI for live and studio applications. I don't use it all the time, but when I do I'm sure glad I have it.
 
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Matt Ides said:
I wanted to see if anyone has had the opportunity to use the cub and the twin power cab with it? I have been really happy with the Genz Benz Shuttle 3.0 8T, but would switch over to the cub now that I can use the matching powered cab PB-100. Not much information out there about it.

Thoughts, experiences, and any general info would be great.

Thanks,
Matt
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I've used the Cub and PB100 combination quite a few times over the last couple of months, although with EB, not upright. What it seems to do is add some "carry power" that is more noticeable from afar, rather than tons of obvious extra wattage from a player's stage perspective. This is especially noticeable on outdoor gigs.
It also brightens up the tone. I suspect this is because the PB100 has the brighter Piranha speakers. I didn't like this brighter sound at first when practicing, but grew to appreciate it in a band setting--the bass tone simply cut through the overall ensemble better. I'd say it's a good combination, but I would also like a PB300 as an additional option.
 
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I've been using the Double Four almost exclusively for the past year for all my jazz club gigs. I use the Vintage Revolution Acoustic Box Live in front as a preamp and to mix a Fishman Full Circle and a mic and it sounds reeaaaaally good and really loud. So good that I am selling with Acoustic Image.

I am just considering now what to get for larger outdoor gigs where I need more volume. When there's a good sound guy and monitors, I just use the Acoustic Box live and it sounds great, no problem, but when I have to bring the amplification I need something bigger.

I love the Phil Jones stuff so I've been really thinking about the Phil Jones powered cabinet PB100 and use it together with the Double Four. Or the PB-300 which seems like a beast. Or the Flightcase, which just seems like a fantastic amp.
Or should I just get a cab? Like a Crazy 8? I have never seen or heard one of these, but I've read great things...What other options are there out there?

What are your experiences? Thoughts? Recommendations?
 
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I had the Pb100 and cub and ended up selling the cub. Now I use the pb100 with a preamp or small mixer. It sounds great for smaller jazz gigs and I use it with vocals and guitar running through the mixer very often. It sounds great and has been a very useful and versatile kpiece of equipment. It weighs more than the cub because it has different speakers, which give it a little more power, volume and depth.
 
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pjb15 said:
I had the Pb100 and cub and ended up selling the cub. Now I use the pb100 with a preamp or small mixer. It sounds great for smaller jazz gigs and I use it with vocals and guitar running through the mixer very often. It sounds great and has been a very useful and versatile kpiece of equipment. It weighs more than the cub because it has different speakers, which give it a little more power, volume and depth.
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Why did you sell the cub? Just curious. I just got the cub and been thinking about adding the pb100.
 
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Chris Fitzgerald said:
The PB-300 is 250 watts, and the Cub is 100 watts. It's not really about that, though, IMO - the CUB is an undersized cabinet, so it only keeps the "Phil Jones Sound" up to a certain point, even with the fleck in front of it. But the PB-300 has a lot more internal room than the Super Flightcase even though they share the same power rating and same number of speakers, so it seems beefier power-wise. Hope that makes some sort of sense.... I think a lot of a speaker's sound comes from the design and size of the cabinet, and the PB-300 doesn't have to deal with the compromises in cabinet design that the Super Flightcase does (with its amp built into the top, and the two upward facing speakers).
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Is there a way to describe what the PB-300 is equivalent to? For example, I just acquired a Flightcase BG-150. I have one other cab, a Bearfaced Super Midget (12 inch driver + tweeter) and an EA Micro 550. To augment the Flightcase, it would be simple to daisy chain to the EA and run off its 385 watts @ 8 ohms for that speaker cabinet. Or do the same to a PB-300. Will the PB-300 be significantly quieter? The PB-300 is a perfect physical fit. Thanks.
 
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The 300 is a powered speaker. I'd liken it to a Super Flightcase because it has (I think) the same power and 6 drivers. It's a little beefier sounding, though, because the cabinet is taller and all of the drivers fire foward. If you were aug,meting the Flightcase, you'd simply take a line out of it and run it to the 300... nothing but a cable needed.
 
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N. Kentucky Bass said:
When the PB-300 is linked from a Flightcase or similar PJB combo, is the extension cab's volume control slaved to the Flightcase? Or do you need to adjust two volume controls - one for each cab?
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If I remember correctly, the volume controls have to be separately adjusted.
By the way...still loving the Cub, but I sold the PB100 extension and replaced it with a Super Flightcase, and then slaved that to the Cub on occasion. But the Super Flightcase was cool on its own, volume-wise. But I ended up selling that too, as I never warmed up to its tone (on electric) in the same way I did with the Cub. The Cub is my one and only restaurant gig amp. Love it!
 
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