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Pink Floyd P tone
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BassOfSpades said:
Gilmour recorded that track, and he owned a preEB Stingray fretless.
Actually had a couple preEB StingRays, he tried to get Jack Bruce to try them.
Gilmour owns a bunch of great early basses, including a 51 Precision.
The Spector in the Pulse videos has P-J pickups, just to help you in your search for that particular sound.
Guy Pratt also used that Spector for a few tunes on Delicate Sound of Thunder as well. Both that and Pulse are great live albums. DSOT is a little more free, but Pulse is a bit more true to the original recordings.
For "Another Brick In The Wall (pt 2)" the E string is tuned down to D. I actually caught that tour in Montreal, and I wish I could tell you what bass Guy was playing on that particular song. But the light show is pretty intense and I can't say what he was playing on that song. I do know for certain that he was playing a 50's Precision for "One of these days" and "Money" which were probably the most significant bass parts in the entire show.
IMO, Guy Pratt's tone on the pulse version is weak and sounds dated. Playing Pink Floyd on anything other than a Fender is blasphemy.
Pink Floyd - Echoes Part 1 (Live At Pompeii) [HD & Remastered Version] - YouTube
Pink Floyd - Echoes Part 1 (Live At Pompeii) [HD & Remastered Version] - YouTube
sj_bass
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As an aside, it was DG that played bass on that track, RW couldn't play a fretless, according to himself.
Seems I've seen this thread oh, about 1,000 times...
Even though it's been established that Stingrays, Charvels, and Rickenbackers have been used to record Floyd tunes?
I kinda agree with ya though. The image of Waters plucking away on a black 'n maple P-bass is so engrained in my brain that any other bass makes me feel like I'm watching a different band.
NKUSigEp said:
You are definitely right... Only thing though is I mentioned Ashdown as the amp I use and not that would represent Waters' sound...
Rog doesn't even consider himself a bassist. He admits he sucks and is a songwriter first. He really isn't that good a bassist in any respect.
P.s. I have seen him on every tour since Pros & Cons (even saw him with Clapton on guitar)..... Saw the last tour and have ticlets for his show this coming summer..... so I am a huge fan.... Not putting him down, he just isn't that good a player.
P.s. a P with flats and the tone wide open through a big tube amp (I.e. SVT) should get you the standard Rog tone.
P.s. I have seen him on every tour since Pros & Cons (even saw him with Clapton on guitar)..... Saw the last tour and have ticlets for his show this coming summer..... so I am a huge fan.... Not putting him down, he just isn't that good a player.
P.s. a P with flats and the tone wide open through a big tube amp (I.e. SVT) should get you the standard Rog tone.
Baird6869 said:
I'd be curious to read his description of himself not being a bass player? Where did you see that?
I don't think songwriter and bass player are mutually exclusive. I think Rogers interests have moved in that direction over the years, but I still think his playing on the Pre dark side stuff is great. Especially, as mentioned above, on echoes. His bassline on fearless is also sublime
I think his sound (including innovative use of effects), and the lines RW was coming up with from approximately 1970-77 (especially Meddle & Dark Side Of The Moon) were pretty great.
I remember the last time I saw that (again) was in a Rolling Stone interview a few years back.
You have to remember...these guys from back then, there was nothing glorious about being the bassist. Some of them didn't care at all who recorded what, it was simply a task that had to be done.
It was a much bigger deal being the songwriter and producer.
Roger was using Hiwatts and HH solid state amps which were much more clean at high volumes. His tone back then is not really that grindy, more clean and springy. I'm also fairly sure that SVTs were not used that much by British bands in the early '70s if archival footage is to be trusted. There was a lot of Hiwatt, Sound City, Marshall, Orange, Fender and WEM gear used, but I can only think of the Rolling Stones using Ampegs back then. Did Ampeg even cater to the UK market? I understand that the voltage is different between the US and the UK.
Hey, rag on Roger all you want...I'd love to be as "crappy" of a bassist as he is, playing timeless, classic songs to sold out arenas at 60 something years old. "One of these Days" left an indelible mark to be as a youngster, and all of the Dark Side / WYWH / Animals stuff is untouchable in terms of the complete product.
Remember, on the Animals tour he was not in a good place touring wise...if you listen to bootlegs of the tour, he will scream out a number during one of the songs, Dogs or Pigs (i forget)....that's how many shows they had left to do. "24!!" or something like that.
Remember, on the Animals tour he was not in a good place touring wise...if you listen to bootlegs of the tour, he will scream out a number during one of the songs, Dogs or Pigs (i forget)....that's how many shows they had left to do. "24!!" or something like that.
Absolutely, And everyone should at least watch that whole video once. On good speakers with the p's cranked to 720p.
thanks for posting a link to a decent HD vid sigmafloyd you are wise.
Likewise the tone the op is after sounds like plain jane active pickups into a straight forward eq'ed modern amp. Most of the tone comes from the player and his plucking style. What sounds like a little roll back on the bass tone controls using the bridge pickup. Most likely could have a wash of those BBE aural enhancers or something similar in his effect chain. Not so much enhancers maybe just plain jane compression.
But for the most part you are hearing that players style, and the final timbre is more modern active pickup tone.
I like Rogers tone better, yes its simple, yes its just a P bass going straight in. But it works and its solid and sits in the mix of swelling guitars and keyboards. Simple but works.
Skip to 6:26 in that echos video at least once, listen to the bass tone......ahhh much better.
Pink Floyd - Echoes Part 1 (Live At Pompeii) [HD & Remastered Version] - YouTube
Everyone should watch the entire film once in his life! The strings sound really rounds to me. too clanky to be flats. I can get to his tone easily with rounds. When I had flats, i didnt.
