When you buy a property with an easement, you are buying the easement too. For perpetuity! You can't just CONVERT an easement into your own private property... Unbelievable what some folks feel they are magically entitled to! 
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Playing a Protest
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When you buy a property with an easement, you are buying the easement too. For perpetuity! You can't just CONVERT an easement into your own private property... Unbelievable what some folks feel they are magically entitled to!
Correct. And I'm a little uncertain about this part, but, because of adverse property laws, the property has to be abandoned for a certain amount of time before you can take it back.
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Good luck, you are straddling a sword. You have no idea how many of your current fans stand for/against the protest view point. While you and your band have every right to have an opinion, your band could be the next Kathy Griffin, Mel Gibson, Roseann or who ever. Throwing politics into business can cost you. In 30+ years of gigging I have avoided that like the plague .
Last protest I played was back in the early 70s when I was 17. Police showed up and decided to illegally break the gathering up. I say illegally because the assembly was completely peaceful, the organizers had obtained all the necessary permits, and the participants had stayed completely within the marked off area in the park they were granted to conduct the protest in. Even the obvious undercover police agent provocateurs who were in there trying to incite people in the crowd to break bounds or start destroying property either got ignored or told to stop making trouble by everyone around them.
My band (we were one of several) was already off stage when the police decided to “clear” the area. I got hit by a passing cloud of a chemical weapon called MACE (or more lovingly by the guys with badges who were freely spraying it) “chemical billy club.” It was the forerunner our current pepper spray. It was a lot nastier and more dangerous than the stuff they use today.
Other than that, it was a good day out even if my eyes and tearducts weren’t working quite right for about a week afterwards.
My band (we were one of several) was already off stage when the police decided to “clear” the area. I got hit by a passing cloud of a chemical weapon called MACE (or more lovingly by the guys with badges who were freely spraying it) “chemical billy club.” It was the forerunner our current pepper spray. It was a lot nastier and more dangerous than the stuff they use today.
Other than that, it was a good day out even if my eyes and tearducts weren’t working quite right for about a week afterwards.
We do have a dedicated videographer for this event. Just to make sure the police don't break the law as well. The property owners gave them the okay to write trespassing citations, but also said they won't accept any unlawfulness from the police. And if that happens they will revoke their rights to give citations.
Well, that's all kinda reassuring... especially that even the prop owner won't tolerate any official misconduct
Both gigs i played in Germany were protested. Does that count? LOL
Nobody should own the beaches nor the oceans. Turn it up to 11!
I live near the Outer Banks of North Carolina.
I won't delve into politics (even local politics) but fighting to be able to drive on the beach will be an up-hill battle.....private beach or no. If you file suit over it environmentalists will counter sue and will always win. Always.
When I was a kid, most of the year anyone could drive onto most of the beaches (and on the dunes) whenever they felt like it in North Carolina. These days, there are a handful of small stretches of beach on the Crystal Coast and Outer Banks where one can drive certain times of the day certain times of the year. To get the permit, one must pay $55 and sit through a four-hour class and watch videos on how to avoid making a hole in the ozone layer my driving a Jeep on the beach.
From what I gather, every time a 4X4 touches a beach a baby humminbird loses its wings....or some rare dung lizard's mother spontaneously combusts .... or a responsibly-sourced kitten loses its organic free-range repurposed ears ..... or something equally ridiculous. I can't keep up with all the ways I have destroyed the planet.
Yeah, but somebody still managed to run over a wild horse last week...must not have covered it in the course.
Riis
It can, but by the time it there is a ruling, the public access would be considered abandoned. Therefore, going back to private ownership. If someone gets arrested, or gets a citation, it will go to court sooner and the judge will be forced to rule whether or not they have a right to do what they have done. Which, the last time they blocked the access, one of our guys removed it and was arrested for destruction of property. Which that judge ruled that they illegally blocked the access. Therefore it was thrown out. I'm not sure why that ruling doesn't still stand. I'll have to ask my guitarist.
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I talked to my guitarist about the ruling, and he said it never went in front of a judge because the prosecutor wouldn't touch it, so they threw it out.
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This sounds like a fun protest I would participate in just because these new-comers are acting arrogant & crazy and antisocial and town's people are on the other side. Just an issue of traditional-communal vs private access, it's happening everywhere. But if someone was caught driving a jeep on Cranes Beach Reservation or any of the areas of dune reclamation on the whole of the Atlantic seashore, I would be in favor of the town reintroducing tar & feathering for the miscreant. OK make it molasses and feathering. The locals know exactly how fragile the beaches are, down to the insurance penny, and how fast they are disappearing. My childhood beach, Nantasket, used to have tide-pools for 300 yards at low tide, now it's a 20-70 foot strip of beach that comes up to the walkway above the big rocks where the bronze people hang out.
It is a nice place to live. Yes, the beach access is at the end of the last turn before going down the hill to the Koch plant. Have you been down to that side of the beach? It's a nice getaway from the tourist crowded beach in Frankfort. It's a nice place for locals, and tourists as well. But we go down farther than most will attempt. A couple of years ago the state police got stuck in the sand and it was a real poopie show watching them trying to get out. Everyone that drove by were laughing at them.
Some people just can't drive.
Those wild horses are awesome though. They go back and forth between islands at low tide. No telling where they'll be any given day or how many you'll see.
Hanging out on a beach you can only get to by boat, watching wild horses all around, Cape Hatteras lighthouse in the background, cooking over a pit fire at dusk. Man.... good times.
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It's protest night!
We're not sure how many people will show up, but we know how many cops will be there. The Sheriff Dept, State Police, and the DNR will all be present tonight. In the last few weeks a lot of friendships have been ruined over this deal. I'm not sure what to expect really, I hope things don't turn ugly. But, if they do, I can almost guarantee it will come from the side that's for the beach being closed. They're wrong, and they probably don't like bacon.
We're not sure how many people will show up, but we know how many cops will be there. The Sheriff Dept, State Police, and the DNR will all be present tonight. In the last few weeks a lot of friendships have been ruined over this deal. I'm not sure what to expect really, I hope things don't turn ugly. But, if they do, I can almost guarantee it will come from the side that's for the beach being closed. They're wrong, and they probably don't like bacon.
Well it sure won’t be settled by a protest.
I avoid political statements in bands, especially when they are self serving to certain members.
