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Playing Bass Wrong

Hey,
As the title reads, I’m playing my bass wrong. My fretting hand doesn’t sit right on the neck and my fingers don’t hit the notes right. I get a lot of fret buzz for an action bass and my hands cramp a lot.
I had bass lessons in the middle of the covid surge and my teacher said my hands were “too spidery”.

Don’t mind what I’m playing, the bass isn’t even turned on.
Video for reference.
 
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Look up “flying fingers” and see what you can do to minimize that way of playing. I know Scott Devine (“Scott’s Bass Lessons.com) has such a video on YouTube.

Otherwise, I’d say, just keep playing. There’s no substitute for time spent working on technique. And get another teacher. I can’t stand a teacher that makes discouraging remarks as that teacher did with you.

At 64 years old, and with many years and gigs on my resume, I signed up for an online bass course (Damien Erskine’s course, but there’s lots of good ones) to work with. And there’s a ton of YouTube videos available on bass playing technique. The only thing about online learning is that you must, must, must be a goal-oriented, motivated self-starter and make yourself sit down with the courses in order for them to be helpful. That’s a major thing I learned about myself, particularly as I’ve grown older. And I’m working on that as we speak….:D
 
If you keep your thumb running parallel to the neck you will do yourself many favours. From what I'm looking at here it seems as though that isn't a problem for you. Keeping the thumb straight along the neck will put you in the best position to fret the notes easily and accurately with the tips of your fingers. If you start to hang your thumb over the edge of the neck in a 'baseball bat' grip you'll badly compromise your ability to play well so never fall into that trap.

There is some 'spidery' motion in your fingers whereby they are lifting quite excessively to move to a new position. In time this will go, it is managed by muscle memory and dexterity. Keep practicing and the 'flying fingers' will sort themselves out, you'll soon naturally find you keep your fingers very close to the strings and fret very gently.
 
Are you sure you're left handed?... You do have nice long fingers and your stretch is good. It appears that you need to spend more time on practice rather than on songs (for now). First aim for just behind the frets (you seem to be hitting random spots). Then spend some time just doing chromatic scales. Play them anywhere along the fretboard that is comfortable. Only play as fast as you can do them PERFECTLY. So that means go REAL SLOW at first. When you do them emphasize that the fingers stay on (or very close to) the string at all times. Show us a video of you doing that nicely
 
To echo that, your teacher should be saying "Do this" instead of "Don't do this" when it comes to anything.

As someone who had this same issue, here's what I'd advise for next steps (until a better teacher can be found to help refine it).

- Learn basic scales, Major and Minor ones. This is insanely basic to do and that's why I'm suggesting it first. Here's why:
- All you need to focus on to improve this is the concept known as "economy of motion". Don't use more movement/space/energy than you need to get the job done. There's two things to practice that should dramatically help with this.

1) Plan out your hand position. A good rule of thumb (and it seems your fingers are long enough to do this effectively) is to do "1 finger to 1 fret" for the scale you are doing. With Major scales, you should be starting with your middle finger for the root note and on Minor scales you'll start with your index finger on the root note. When you look at the shape of the major scale on a fretboard, it will make a lot more sense. Basic Minor Scale shape is here. Different scales have different shapes, once you learn them you shouldn't have to think too hard about which finger to play the root with.
2) Keep the pad of your thumb pressing against the back of the neck, essentially parallel to it (but make sure the position is decently comfortable to you). Don't press too hard, but you should be able to make a decent pinch without cramping. If not, try loosening up a little and adjust the height of your thumb in relation to the neck. After a while, this will come naturally to you.

- The next part is only achievable with practice...keep your finger pads hovering above, but not touching the strings when they're struck. There's really no way around this, you just need to practice it with intent. This is a lot easier when you aren't having to radically change your hand position (see the part about scales and the "1 finger to 1 fret" method). Once you're nailing this with ease on basic scale shapes, then I'd move on to more complex fretting techniques and movement.

Then it's just down to finger strength (from practice) and muscle memory. Chromatic runs are good for warmups, just start REALLY slow and focus on technique. We're talking half notes at 120bpm or slower to start off. I also warm up by skipping a fret (as in doing Index Finger -> Ring Finger -> Pinky) on the next run and alternating that around. The idea being that you're getting comfortable with whatever movement you'll have to do when fretting. When you've gotten better, you can move onto string skipping, octaves, walking basslines, etc. A good teacher should guide you through this appropriately.


Hope this long-winded post helps! I not only had more stamina, but my playing and timing cleaned up considerably after doing this. Welcome aboard and keep pluckin! (or picking...or slapping. W/e you like best ;) )


EDIT: In all that advice, I neglected a very important point lol. Make sure when you're fretting a note, you are doing it JUST behind the fret itself. This will minimize fret buzz and while a pain at first, will help in the longrun. Also, I'd check out Scott's Bass Lessons on Youtube. Guy has some excellent content, but I'd just focus on that stuff first as things can get pretty complicated rather quick with online instruction. He has to keep making content to get views and revenue, so there may be a lot to sift through with a lack of clarity on where you should be or progressing to.
 
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1) Plan out your hand position. A good rule of thumb (and it seems your fingers are long enough to do this effectively) is to do "1 finger to 1 fret" for the scale you are doing. With Major scales, you should be starting with your middle finger for the root note and on Minor scales you'll start with your index finger on the root note. When you look at the shape of the major scale on a fretboard, it will make a lot more sense. Basic Minor Scale shape is here. Different scales have different shapes, once you learn them you shouldn't have to think too hard about which finger to play the root with.

I don't agree with this because it often doesn't apply. An F major scale starting with the middle finger on the low F? And what about scales starting on open strings?

OP is using the correct fingering (first finger - pinky) for what she's playing (root-five).

2) Keep the pad of your thumb pressing against the back of the neck, essentially parallel to it (but make sure the position is decently comfortable to you). Don't press too hard, but you should be able to make a decent pinch without cramping. If not, try loosening up a little and adjust the height of your thumb in relation to the neck. After a while, this will come naturally to you.

Only enough thumb pressure to balance pressure of fretting fingers.

All of us agree that the fingers are flying excessively. When you play the root-five pattern, keep your fingers down instead of lifting each completely off the string. Practice that.
 
Regarding your fret buzz concerns, you need to focus on placing your fingers just behind the fret - almost on it. Yes you can produce the same tone anywhere within the space between the frets, but you risk buzz if you play too far back.

Fret buzz is one of my issues and I've found that more like a fretless (finger ON the imaginary fret) is the fix. Good luck.
 
There’s a “feel” to the bass you’ll develop as you practice.

think of it this way- there’s a certain amount of force it takes to play a clean note. You can put down more force and still get a clean note, but there’s a minimum required force you need to apply. The goal is to use the minimum required force.

right now it looks like you’re working hard to apply a lot of force, which probably isn’t necessary, and you’re compensating by picking up your other non-fretting fingers. A key that you’re working too hard is in the cramping you’re feeling.

Your muscles will also get stronger as you play, so it will get easier from that perspective. You may also be playing on a bass that has a high action and isn’t user friendly- you can get that adjusted.

keep doing the best you can to target right behind the fret. That should help, too, because it concentrates more of the force directly to the fret you’re trying to play.
 
Look at how your hand is positioned at 15 seconds. That is a much more natural way for your hand to look when you are playing. Instead of stretching so far, I tend to keep my hand more compact and move my hand and use my thumb/palm for balance. Learning to move you hand instead of spreading your fingers so far while you are playing will help a lot. That and barely raising your fingers off the strings when they aren't hitting a note. Practice releasing pressure on the back of the neck and moving to different notes, applying pressure to complete the next note until it becomes natural.
 
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Take a few minutes to watch Kynga Glyk's left hand technique. First watch how and when she arches her fingers--mostly on the D and G strings. When reaching over the the A and especially the E, her fingers are much straighter/flat across the fingerboard. Then watch again what happens with her thumb. Most of the time it's following up and down the back of the neck, but when she's in the lower register and playing on the G string, her thumb sometimes wraps around the neck. She's not only using her fingers to press the strings down, she use them for muting. Keep practicing, some of these things come with lots of actual playing time.
 
Play chromatic scales along each string ... so 1st finger, 1st fret - keep it there while you then go to 2nd finger, 2nd fret (still fingering the 1st fret) - then go to 3rd finger, 3rd fret (while still keeping the previous two fingers on their frets) - then go to 4th finger, 4th fret (while holding down all four fingers on their respective frets). Repeat on the next string. Fingers can't fly if holding down the strings. This trains the muscles to stay close to the fingerboard.

The exercise is easier on guitar, but your fingers look long enough for doing it on bass. I don't have large hands, but I can do it, so I expect many people can. If it's difficult in 1st position, just move up a few frets to where it's comfortable, and do it there. The essential thing is holding all the frets down as you go, whatever position it's in. Do that a little bit every day, it becomes automatic to keep the fingers close to the board. Good luck! :thumbsup:

Btw, thumb position looks pretty good already. :thumbsup:
 
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One of the most important things a good teacher would do is teach you correct hand posture. It's hard for us to describe some of these things, but a teacher can show you what to do and track your progress.

I know there are reasons taking lessons can be hard to pull off, but if you are serious about playing bass, I'd find a better teacher and take regular lessons for a bit.
 
I don't agree with this because it often doesn't apply. An F major scale starting with the middle finger on the low F? And what about scales starting on open strings?

OP is using the correct fingering (first finger - pinky) for what she's playing (root-five).

It's a way to play Root-V, but it's not necessarily "correct". It may be easier now, but playing it in the scale diagram I sent would be less efficient, regarding hand movement, when playing the III or VI of the Major Scale (using the example shape).

Arguably, there's no "correct" or "incorrect" way to play, just more or less efficient methods. "Learning Scales" was stated, as in the OP will be made aware of the exceptions in the process and learn to adjust accordingly (Ideally through formal instruction by a teacher, as myself and others mentioned).



As I said early in my post, OP...this is a place to start, but I recommend a teacher who can spot check for issues and assist you in real-time. Even if it's just on the basics, it will definitely help with progress in the long run. :thumbsup:
 
Try to not grab the neck like a baseball bat or tennis racket (I started out on a tennis racket). The pad of the thumb on the fretting hand should be directly behind the fretboard on the neck. That will allow the fretting fingers more room to reach more than a few frets. Those fingers should be almost parallel to the fretboard when not being used. Don't rest your fretting arm on a leg or anything else. It needs to be floating. Practice.