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Popular Songs with Odd Time Signatures

Please don't flame me too hard but As a strictly "by ear" bassist, I am curious as to why it's important to know time sig's.

You don't need to know it just to play it, but sometimes it helps you to land back on the "1".

But if you like to dissect and study songs to see how and why they work it's kind of fun. My band and I have written some odd time stuff unintentionally, one of the songs I wrote has a main riff in 9/4 that just turned out that way because I thought it sounded cool, but our drummer had to count it out to figure out what was going on before he could play it.
 
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I was really surprised to find Metallica's "Blackened" time signatures are so mixed up.

"Blackened" has perhaps the most changing time signatures of any Metallica song. The intro is in 4/4, then 3/4, 4/4 again, and then followed by a 5/4 measure, leading into the 7/4 riff. Then, the verse is in 6/4, going into the 7/4 riff again, then a 2/4 measure leading into the chorus, which is in 4/4. The 7/4 riff kicks in again, then the 6/4 verse, another 7/4 riff, and another 2/4 measure leading into the 2nd 4/4 chorus. Then the slow bridge starts with a 7/4 measure, then 4/4 for the rest until the dual-guitar build-up section, in which every other measure is 4/4, and the other measures alternate 2/4 and 3/4, in that order, but starting with a 4/4 measure. Some find it easier to alternate counting 6/4 and 7/4 measures, or even counting one pattern as a whole: a 13/4 measure repeating over and over until the slow solo, which is entirely in 4/4. Then there is a short 4/4 break, ending with a 2/4 measure that leads into the fast solo, which is entirely 4/4 except one measure before the last part of the solo that's in 5/8. Then the riff starts again, in 7/4. Then one final verse in 6/4, then a 2/4 measure leading into the final chorus, which is in 4/4. The last chorus repeats itself, with different words. This repeat is tied to the previous chorus by a 5/4 measure. Finally, the outro is in 7/4. It is somewhat difficult for inexperienced musicians to count the beat properly during the riff, because of the odd time signature and the accented notes for the melody, as well as the snare, are played on the up-beat.
source: http://metallica.wikia.com/wiki/Blackened_(song)#Song_Style
 
You don't need to know it just to play it, but sometimes it helps you to land back on the "1".

But if you like to dissect and study songs to see how and why they work it's kind of fun. My band and I have written some odd time stuff unintentionally, one of the songs I wrote has a main riff in 9/4 that just turned out that way because I thought it sounded cool, but our drummer had to count it out to figure out what was going on before he could play it.
Got it. There are some songs where My drummer seems to have trouble finding the 1 but I checked them and they are in 4/4 signature. Overall he's a great drummer and it just take a split second to get "synched" back up on these rare occasions.
 
I've been playing in a Cars tribute band and one of their popular songs, "Touch and Go", has some interesting parts where the bass and drums are in 5/4 while everyone else including the vocals are in 4/4. Ben Orr had some really nice bass lines in a few of those songs. His use of an octave pedal was pretty cool in songs like "Moving in Stereo" and "Bye Bye Love"
 
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Jethro Tull's first hit "Living in the Past" was in 5/4.

As far as the need to know time signatures go, I'm recording a song which started with the vocal melody first, then the bass line next. When I was searching for basic drum tracks to back it, 5/8 patterns seemed to fit the intro and main part of the song best. 4/4 seems to fit the choruses best. Quite unintentional I assure you, though I must admit that I tend to like other than 4/4 when it comes to dancing with a partner.
 
If memory serves correctly, Black Dog is in 4/4 (or 2/2 if you prefer), guitar and bass riff is just ahead of the beat in some spots. There is however a bar of 5/4 at the very end of the "oh yeah" bit.

The weird thing about BD is how the kick lands on two in the verses giving it that oddly half time feel. BY the time L.Z. IV, Pagey and the other two had gotten very adept at playing with the meters and time feels. That's the odd dichotomy about Bonzo; he was such a classic basher and then he turns around and simply NAILS the 16note Bernard Purdie triplet and all the time sig stuff from L.Z. IV and onwards. Moonie on the other hand, as much as I adore his creativity had a hard time playing "Love Reign O'er Me," in 6/8 according to Townshend.
 
Not that it's a "popular" song, but there's a song on "All the Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes", "Face Dances Pt. 2) by P. Townshend where the band switches from 4/4 to 5/4 while the drums, (the ever badass Simon Phillips) stays in 5. It's not as chaotic as it sounds. It works in a cool syncopated way.

In "Kashmir" the main riff is in 3 while the drums stay in 4.
 
In the 1970s it was more common to have popular songs in odd time signatures. For example, Frank Zappa's "Dancin' Fool" hit #45 on the Billboard charts and kept changing meters to make it impossible to dance to.

Now we have really crazy stuff that's more underground. For example, a lot of Meshuggah is 4/4 but doesn't sound it because of their interweaving syncopations.

My contribution to this thread is "Number Count" sung by the Pointer Sisters. Can you imagine a kids show today that features a song in this shifting meter? 7/8, 7/8, 4/4, 6/8, 4/4, 3/8, 4/4, 7/8, 4/4, 9/8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUL4T8WcFdA
 
Aretha Franklins (Bacharach) "Say a little prayer is unique.

4/4, 2/4, 3/4 bars that closely follows the melody, with the change in the centre of the phrase.

Verse = 26 beats phrase.
2/4 bar in middle with 12 beats (three 4/4 bars) either side.

Chorus = Three x 11 beat phrases.
3/4 in middle with 4 beats (one 4/4 bar) either side.

The vocals emphasise the 1 in the bar after the change every time.
The drum pattern in the chorus is just sublime.


I've never seen that in any other song. Anyone know of anything similar?
 
Original Mission Impossible TV series Theme song
(bass player = Carol Kaye)

there are some other TV series theme that have odd time, but I think Mission Impossible is the most popular one I can remember now

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oops have been mention... I did not check previous page LOL
 
Aretha Franklins (Bacharach) "Say a little prayer is unique.

4/4, 2/4, 3/4 bars that closely follows the melody, with the change in the centre of the phrase.

Verse = 26 beats phrase.
2/4 bar in middle with 12 beats (three 4/4 bars) either side.

Chorus = Three x 11 beat phrases.
3/4 in middle with 4 beats (one 4/4 bar) either side.

The vocals emphasise the 1 in the bar after the change every time.
The drum pattern in the chorus is just sublime.


I've never seen that in any other song. Anyone know of anything similar?

Bacharach frequently used unconventional time signatures. "Promises, Promises" starts out something like 6/8 | 2/4 | 6/8 | 4/4 || 6/8 | 3/4 | 6/8 | 4/4 ... and then it starts to get weird. :D
 

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