Post Lockdown Gigs w/Poll

[TigerInATrance]

We've got a gig on June 6 that has gotten us about 150 emails with people wondering if it's going to happen. The bar says it'll be on if restrictions are lifted, so we're ready to go.

I'm all for getting out there, and, while I get that this lockdown is where we're at and we're all trying to do our part without getting too angry and nasty about it, I don't think there will be nearly the kind of good will towards going along with it for the greater good when they start talking about months upon months of staying home. Someone will have to figure something else out...

 

[Admiral Thrawn]

It's going to be interesting, especially if the financial collapse is close to 2008.

We haven't seen the suicide rates yet, or what they could be after the stimulus money (in the US) is long since gone and if we're still in lockdown status.

The virus is bad, but people were killing their entire families and themselves in 2008, and right now, unemployment is upward of 10% (in the US) and that can be devastating on the mental state of those affected by it. The worst part is that there doesn't seem to be much movement to help reign in that number as the economy is still in a bit of a free fall/flux.

So while I think we will eventually get to a new normal, we may not be doing it with all the people we expected to get there with when this started.

I know, ray of f^cking sunshine.

 

[SactoBass]

I too think that not much is going to real go full throttle ahead until the vaccine is done with all its trials, released, and widely used. Vaccine trials started here in Washington state in early March and there's a second one going into trials this month. The trials need to be completed though to prove efficacy and discover side effects. Once that happens, I think we will rebound with a vengeance. People are dying to get out there and the clubs will do a huge business when it's safe for people to do that.

Problem is that a lot of the small clubs have closed their doors and won't be re-opening them. So net effect is that we will probably have fewer places to play. Then again, if there really does turn out to be a resurgence in club-goers, we may see new places open up. Personally, I'm hoping we get back to some version of normal by November because we a high-paying gig then that hasn't been cancelled on us yet.

And I have to tell you that those young - just turned 21-folks - are more than raring to go. In fact, a fair amount of them went anyhow despite the warnings before the bars were closed. Comes from that feeling of immortality that you have in the early 20's. I remember it well, but now I know better.

Our Land Lady's granddaughter turned 21 before this all hit and she was out for "drinks" almost every night as to be expected from a just turned 21'er. But it went on for months. Then she got a job as a waitress at a local sports bar. She also had a house cleaning business that dried up as soon as social-distancing became a thing. Shortly thereafter, the Sports Bar closed. She still went out almost every night.

She's moved down to Arizona now to live with a friend and still refuses to wear a mask or stay out of groups, let along social distancing with individuals. Her answer is, "no one wears masks down here." She doesn't even consider that although her age group is rarely getting sick from it, she could be carrying it, be asymptomatic, and very easily be spreading it. Remember Typhoid Mary?

We had to ask her to not come to our downstairs apartment anymore because my wife and I are both "69; my wife has chronic respiratory problems; we both have asthma; and she was still clubbing. She just couldn't fathom the danger she was presenting to us. "I'm fine! I feel fine. None of my friends are even sick." was her answer. We miss her, but we don't miss her to death!

Excellent post!

It seems that there are some youngsters who are only capable of focusing on *them* contracting it and they fail to focus on the bigger picture of them *spreading* it to many people resulting in many deaths. Each human is a potential spreader, regardless of whether they themself are sick or not. If you REALLY wanna see an example of stupid, self-centered, mindless thinking, take a look at the vid below and listen to the first moron in the vid who only has enough operating brain cells to think how vitally important it is to party during this deadly pandemic.....



When he says "if I get corona I get corona", what his underdeveloped brain fails to realize is, he could spread the virus to 10 people, and each of those 10 could spread it to 10 people (resulting in 100 infected people), and each of those 100 could spread it to 10 people (resulting in 1000 infected people), and assuming one-third of those 1000 people die, his "all-important" partying just killed 333 people. In *his* mind, *HE* is the only thing that matters.

 

[QweziRider]

Or will it be business as usual when they open back up?

Eventually. I imagine it'll take a while for the bars to financially spin back up to be able to afford live music.

 

[Hambone70]

Among all the negativity, there are positives that can come from this. They're just hard to see sometimes.

Some Positives That Might Come Out of Coronavirus

 

[Inky13]

I think a lot of society has become used to 'instant gratification, and I want it yesterday'...

... this will definitely require a collective patience, but after that...

... the sky is the limit. The light at the end of the tunnel will be so bright, we will all have to wear shades. And Gilligan's Island will make a resurgence as one of the best shows ever made.

Ok, maybe not the first two... but, definitely the latter.

So we must ask ourselves:

P or J?
Flats or Rounds?
Ginger or Mary Ann?

 

[filmtex]

1. Half the bars are going to be out of business.
2. People will be hesitant to gather in groups (I know I will be apprehensive)

I think that’s going to be the same story in my area. Many of the venues I have been playing at for,the past few years had a demographic that I would describe as “vulnerable” and we had a hard enough time getting crowds out before all this. I don’t see it getting anything but worse. Venue owners I’ve talked to in the past few weeks are right on the edge, financially, of closing for good. IMHO live music could very well be a thing of the past, at least on this level. Time to rethink how we do things .....

 

[GregC]

None the less, the flu kills tens of thousands annually.
Please be more snarky

Covid 19 has killed 12,000 people in the US in the past week. It spreads a lot more easily, is deadlier, and requires a much higher hospitalization rate than the flu. And I get the flu vaccine every year.

 

[Bass Momma]

It’s interesting that so many people are so anxious for a magic Covid vaccine when so many people don’t get the annual flu vaccine.

Two answers. First, because many people do get flu vaccine, there's a degree of herd immunity. It's not inevitable that you'll get it. Second, COVID-19 isn't the flu. It's much, much nastier. Something like 80% of us will get it unless that vaccine hops along. Shoot me up, baby!
(And yes, i get the flu vaccine each year, so what do I know!)

 

[Father Gino]

Covid 19 has killed 12,000 people in the US in the past week. It spreads a lot more easily, is deadlier, and requires a much higher hospitalization rate than the flu. And I get the flu vaccine every year.

Yes this is a bad one, perhaps more infectious and deadly than the so called Asian flu and it’s progeny, the Hong Kong Flu that ran from 1957 through the early seventies. Those influenza pandemics were apparently worse than the 1918 Spanish Flu in terms of infection rate but were kept somewhat at bay (still killing millions worldwide) by more modern antibiotics and vaccines.

But my point is that in this era of fake news and anti-science, will everyone cooperate with vaccines? Will the public at large be able to tolerate sheltering in place indefinitely? This thing won’t be truly over for a long time.

Heck, makes me want to hang out in a bar and play the blues all the more!

 

[Mike JV]

Two answers. First, because many people do get flu vaccine, there's a degree of herd immunity. It's not inevitable that you'll get it. Second, COVID-19 isn't the flu. It's much, much nastier. Something like 80% of us will get it unless that vaccine hops along. Shoot me up, baby!
(And yes, i get the flu vaccine each year, so what do I know!)

I honestly can't remember when the last time was that I had a flu shot. But the last time I had the flu was the swine flu in October of 2009. The symptoms lasted 4 days but for the next week and a half I felt like someone kicked the crap out of me. No strength to save my life. I was laid off at the time and if working I easily would have been out for 2 weeks. But I dare say if and when they come up with a proven vaccine for the virus they can shoot me up too! But the way they're talking it almost sounds like it would be mandatory.

Other than 2009 the last time I was sick was when I came in contact with some sort of virus in December of 2018 that was nasty. Had a temperature of 102.5 for 3 days and had the shakes real bad. Doctor did the nose swab and confirmed it was a virus. No breathing difficulties and no stomach problems either with this thing.

 

[lokikallas]

None the less, the flu kills tens of thousands annually.
Please be more snarky

Hmm. We just passed 20,000 from covid19 with no end in sight. Kind of makes your argument sound ignorant.

 

[Spidey2112]

So we must ask ourselves:

P or J?
Flats or Rounds?
Ginger or Mary Ann?

Both.
Rounds, 24/7/365
Mary Ann, 24/7/365

 

[GregC]

Yes this is a bad one, perhaps more infectious and deadly than the so called Asian flu and it’s progeny, the Hong Kong Flu that ran from 1957 through the early seventies. Those influenza pandemics were apparently worse than the 1918 Spanish Flu in terms of infection rate but were kept somewhat at bay (still killing millions worldwide) by more modern antibiotics and vaccines.

But my point is that in this era of fake news and anti-science, will everyone cooperate with vaccines? Will the public at large be able to tolerate sheltering in place indefinitely? This thing won’t be truly over for a long time.

Heck, makes me want to hang out in a bar and play the blues all the more!

You're never going to get 100% participation on a vaccine. But you don't need 100% to get herd immunity. And hopefully enough people will finally take this virus seriously enough to get vaccinated when the time comes, now that they can see the huge impact it has.

This is probably a better topic for the main thread. Coronavirus discussion thread - NO POLITICS, or "POLITICS by PROXY"

 

[alack]

There was a poll released a few days ago where more than 70% of respondents said they would not go back to large sporting events until there’s a vaccine. If Yankee, Packer and Laker fans aren’t willing to risk it, I can’t say I have a lot of faith in bar gigs coming back quickly.

 

[mongo2]

I'm not in a hurry.

 

[Lagado]

"Never let a good crisis go to waste."

Winston Churchill.

The Dark Triad will try and make from the precedents. There is no return to 'normality', it was a Theatre of the Absurd before this happened.