Power adaptor why? Why ? WHY?

[USAJO]

Why in heavens name do they put such flimsy wires on these ac power adapters for pedals?

They should be extremely durable and they make them so thin they won’t hold up.

This honestly makes me angry.

Surely this is obviously Stupid.

Why?

 

[cataract]

Get a name brand 1 Spot adapter, they are pretty robust. Or go all on with a power power supply. I’ve owned the same adapters/power supply cables for years now with no problems.

Ultimately they aren’t built to last forever but will last you a very long time if you are careful in using them / not stepping on them.

 

[retslock]

I use a simple MXR ISO-Block power supply. Quiet and reliable.

 

[SkylineFiver]

Why in heavens name do they put such flimsy wires on these ac power adapters for pedals?

They should be extremely durable and they make them so thin they won’t hold up.

This honestly makes me angry.

Surely this is obviously Stupid.

Why?

So they break and you must buy a new one.
Evil genius

 

[Paul New]

Reminds me of the pads they all put on clip-on tuners. No matter how much you spend on a tuner, the pad will vome off.

 

[DaveParker39]

the included powder adapters with (some) pedals have gone the way of the battery... yes it is included so you can make it work, but the expectation is that you will probably use your own power supply

 

[andare]

This is why I don't understand people who buy power supplies with an external power brick. Not only is it dumb to have to use two items, you're not saving any space or weight and the cables are so flimsy. Get a power supply with an IEC socket and then use an IEC cable of any length you need. Amps use the same cables already.

 

[DWA2469]

The term you are looking for is "Planned Obsolescence"

 

[Thumpin6string]

Never had an issue with mine. Maybe they aren't flimsy. Maybe you are too hard on them.

 

[USAJO]

This is why I don't understand people who buy power supplies with an external power brick. Not only is it dumb to have to use two items, you're not saving any space or weight and the cables are so flimsy. Get a power supply with an IEC socket and then use an IEC cable of any length you need. Amps use the same cables already.

I’m new at this pedalboard but I have two pedals that have different requirements.

The POG states you MUST use their provided unit and the SGTDI uses 500 mA.

My other 3 pedals use the regular 9 volt.

Am I misunderstanding something?

So I need 3 different sources for 5 pedals ?

 

[agedhorse]

the included powder adapters with (some) pedals have gone the way of the battery... yes it is included so you can make it work, but the expectation is that you will probably use your own power supply

Some regions, specially the EU at this point, have introduced new legislation to reduce waste (including batteries). Also, damage from leaking batteries is unfortunately an issue. People forget to remove batteries when the pedals are t being used, and even changing batteries when a pedal is mounted to a pedalboard can be a hassle. Using a power supply avoids all of this.

This is why I don't understand people who buy power supplies with an external power brick. Not only is it dumb to have to use two items, you're not saving any space or weight and the cables are so flimsy. Get a power supply with an IEC socket and then use an IEC cable of any length you need. Amps use the same cables already.

You might think it’s dumb, but that’s just because you don’t understand the bigger picture.

Including an IEC power supply into a pedal will cause the average pedals to almost double in size to accommodate the IEC inlet, the power supply itself, and all the necessary clearances/creepage distances for safety. Then there’s the issue of dealing with all the bulk from the IEC corsets.

Then, each pedal would need to be safety and EMC certified, which adds tens of thousands of dollars to the cost. A pedal that operates at 9-18V is exempt from (most) safety regulations, and if it doesn’t have a processor or boost converter then it’s also exempt from (most) EMC regulations.

External power supplies are safety and EMC certified, the costs spread out over tens or hundreds of thousands of units since they are used for so many different applications.

I’m new at this pedalboard but I have two pedals that have different requirements.

The POG states you MUST use their provided unit and the SGTDI uses 500 mA.

My other 3 pedals use the regular 9 volt.

Am I misunderstanding something?

So I need 3 different sources for 5 pedals ?

Since you are new to pedalboards, yes you are misunderstanding things.

Most pedalboard users choose to use a pedalboard power supply that has outlets that can be switched or selected based on a pedal’s needs.

This is most common, and can efficient way to manage power. There are a variety of high quality, multiple output supplies on the market. Some pedalboards even come with one built in.

 

[Michedelic]

I’m new at this pedalboard but I have two pedals that have different requirements.

The POG states you MUST use their provided unit and the SGTDI uses 500 mA.

My other 3 pedals use the regular 9 volt.

Am I misunderstanding something?

So I need 3 different sources for 5 pedals ?

What he said:

Some regions, specially the EU at this point, have introduced new legislation to reduce waste (including batteries). Also, damage from leaking batteries is unfortunately an issue. People forget to remove batteries when the pedals are t being used, and even changing batteries when a pedal is mounted to a pedalboard can be a hassle. Using a power supply avoids all of this.


You might think it’s dumb, but that’s just because you don’t understand the bigger picture.

Including an IEC power supply into a pedal will cause the average pedals to almost double in size to accommodate the IEC inlet, the power supply itself, and all the necessary clearances/creepage distances for safety. Then there’s the issue of dealing with all the bulk from the IEC corsets.

Then, each pedal would need to be safety and EMC certified, which adds tens of thousands of dollars to the cost. A pedal that operates at 9-18V is exempt from (most) safety regulations, and if it doesn’t have a processor or boost converter then it’s also exempt from (most) EMC regulations.

External power supplies are safety and EMC certified, the costs spread out over tens or hundreds of thousands of units since they are used for so many different applications.


Since you are new to pedalboards, yes you are misunderstanding things.

Most pedalboard users choose to use a pedalboard power supply that has outlets that can be switched or selected based on a pedal’s needs.

This is most common, and can efficient way to manage power. There are a variety of high quality, multiple output supplies on the market. Some pedalboards even come with one built in.

Voltage and mA are two different things, and having a Cioks 7, with all of its options, is very advantageous. But there certainly are similar power units from other brands. If you are using a Pedaltrain board, Cioks has been mindful with their newer units like that one to provide a design to fit underneath just right, with more ergonomic access to the outlets. One of my dislikes of Voodoo Labs units was having to deal with those bracket holders.
As I understand it, voltage is like the rate of power supplied, whereas mA is the amount of juice required by a pedal to function properly.

 

[jimmydean]

This has pissed me off for years !

 

[andare]

You might think it’s dumb, but that’s just because you don’t understand the bigger picture.

Including an IEC power supply into a pedal will cause the average pedals to almost double in size to accommodate the IEC inlet, the power supply itself, and all the necessary clearances/creepage distances for safety. Then there’s the issue of dealing with all the bulk from the IEC corsets.

Then, each pedal would need to be safety and EMC certified, which adds tens of thousands of dollars to the cost. A pedal that operates at 9-18V is exempt from (most) safety regulations, and if it doesn’t have a processor or boost converter then it’s also exempt from (most) EMC regulations.

External power supplies are safety and EMC certified, the costs spread out over tens or hundreds of thousands of units since they are used for so many different applications.

Right but I was talking only about pedal power supplies, not individual pedals.

 

[agedhorse]

Right but I was talking only about pedal power supplies, not individual pedals.

Sorry, your post didn’t differentiate between individual pedals, power supplies and pedalboard power supplies.

At least in the context of this discussion it wasn’t clear to me, sorry.

 

[klyph]

The POG states you MUST use their provided unit and the SGTDI uses 500 mA.

EHX power requirements can be pretty absurd sometimes. Low voltage AC is a PITA. What does the POG take specifically?

 

[USAJO]

EHX power requirements can be pretty absurd sometimes. Low voltage AC is a PITA. What does the POG take specifically?

AI says this. The Electro-Harmonix Micro Pog requires a 9V DC power supply (often labeled as 9.6V) with a center-negative polarity. It draws at least 200mA of current and uses a standard 2.1mm barrel connector. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

 

[klyph]

AI says this. The Electro-Harmonix Micro Pog requires a 9V DC power supply (often labeled as 9.6V) with a center-negative polarity. It draws at least 200mA of current and uses a standard 2.1mm barrel connector. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Eh, you should be fine running that off a high quality 9v supply.
I was thinking more of my HumDe Bugger, which is 7.2v AC.
Or, the Black Finger, which is 12v AC.

 

[USAJO]

Eh, you should be fine running that off a high quality 9v supply.
I was thinking more of my HumDe Bugger, which is 7.2v AC.
Or, the Black Finger, which is 12v AC.

The manual is very specific about not using power other than one they provided.

Curious

 

[klyph]

The manual is very specific about not using power other than one they provided.

Hmmm… maybe you should start a separate thread about the Micro POG specifically. See if other users are using standard power supplies. I’m thinking it must be a pretty popular pedal; I’ve been thinking about getting one myself.