Poweramp "Voicing"

[Analogeezer]

I’m one of the live pro audio guys that is happy to use a Behringer X32 (I think that’s what you meant). That’s because that particular mixer is connected to the other Behringer gear in name only. It is made by another group of folks, the very same folks that make the Midas M32, as well as the Midas Pro 1 and Pro 2. In fact, the assembly lines used to be side-by-side in the Chinese factory. The X32 is a quite good and reliable unit used by a lot of even touring pros. Nothing about the X32 (or the X family of digital mixers) is relatable to any other Behringer gear made.

Having defended the X32’s honor and all, I sold my X32 rack and S16 and replaced it with the aforementioned SL32R Presonus rack mixer. It’s a 2-space rack mixer that replaced 5 spaces of X32 and digital snake plus I rather like the 32R’s feature set. But it wasn’t because I was at all concerned about the reliability of the X32.

Everything else said about the other Behringer gear mentioned here, I totally agree with.

Yes I am aware the X32 is "designed by Midas" and the Midas M32 is the same mixer in a different physical format.

Behringer has kinda Behringerized all the brands they took over with Music Tribe; Klark-Teknik, Midas, TC Electronic are no longer the quality they used to be. Lots of "my TC bass head just died" threads on here.

I bought a M-One XL to put in a small PA rack for occasional use. It died after using it like four times. Turns out the main circuit board had a crack in it and the part alone (hey at least you could get it) was $175.

I've never had this kind of problem with my M2000 or my M3000 and I have owned both of those FOR YEARS.

Analogeezer

 

[byacey]

Behringer is a company well known for cutting corners to increase profits. I'm sure the quality of any Midas designed mixers produced since Behringer took over has already suffered, and will continue to get worse. Based on some of their design follies I have seen, I can only assume they have some electronic hobbyists on their design team, rather than accredited and experienced engineers. It's pretty shameful when they can't even copy a proven, well designed competitors product that they tried to clone, with any kind of reliability, especially when all the research and development has already been done.

 

[logdrum]

However - more and more people are using the Behringer X32 digital mixer and maybe in the non national touring live sound business, they have a big market share. It is not uncommon to be asked if you have an X32 setup file.

I have many Behringer analog synth copies and I have started collecting them in 2017. They are all working today. They actually have an original one called the Neutron which has neat features and also a great synth to learn. I interface them with Moog, Arturia and Korg analog synths

 

[HolmeBass]

Good afternoon fellow TBers...

I was helping out a friend who was having issues in his band classroom (local school district). He has a small mixer, a power and a couple large speakers on the wall to use in the band room. One speaker sounded like it was dying or having issues. I did a lot of elementary troubleshooting (seeing which component the problem followed.) It turned out to be the right channel of the power amp was dead/dying. He was using a Behringer iNuke amp (not sure which one). I brought along extra cables and a power amp if needed. The amp I had was a crown XLS-1502 that I use with my bass rig. When I ran them side by side, (left speaker the iNuke, right speaker the XLS-1502) the XLS-1502 just sounded amazing compared to the iNuke with the same signal. It was clearer, the sound was tighter and it sounded like the literal wool was pulled off of the signal. This was a head-to head comparison with both playing at the same time - no "sound memory" needed. Is there this much difference between power amps?

The difference of quality.

I find that even between decent power amps there are differences.

 

[Deleted member 165050]

Remember this mantra anytime you feel the need to stray: Nobody has ever purchased a Behringer product because its sound quality.

Since the Behringer holding company (Music Tribe) bought Midas, many Behringer digital desks use Midas-designed preamps. Not as good as actual Midas preamps due to half the sampling rate, but a lot better than the brand used to be.

 

[sawzalot]

I tend to agree with the Behringer bashing with one exception, which is the Behringer X32 series of digital mixers. It’s lineage is Midas, not Behringer, and it has one of the best price-to-features-and-specs ratios out there. It’s also the mixer I find most frequently being used as the FOH mixer in the clubs we play in, at least in my area.

 

[byacey]

I tend to agree with the Behringer bashing with one exception, which is the Behringer X32 series of digital mixers. It’s lineage is Midas, not Behringer, and it has one of the best price-to-features-and-specs ratios out there. It’s also the mixer I find most frequently being used as the FOH mixer in the clubs we play in, at least in my area.

I dunno, I'm skeptical. The story goes that everything King Midas touched, turned to gold. Past experience shows everything that Uli Behringer touched, was a technically executed POS.

How the two companies became one is a perplexing aberration.

 

[Geri O]

I dunno, I'm skeptical. The story goes that everything King Midas touched, turned to gold. Past experience shows everything that Uli Behringer touched, was a technically executed POS.

How the two companies became one is a perplexing aberration.

That much is certain. And will remain one of life’s great mysteries, especially now that they’ve aquired TC Electronics and under their distribution wing, Lab Gruppen amplifiers.

Let’s respect the OP’s original topic and leave the Music Tribe stuff for another post….

 

[sawzalot]

I dunno, I'm skeptical. The story goes that everything King Midas touched, turned to gold. Past experience shows everything that Uli Behringer touched, was a technically executed POS.

How the two companies became one is a perplexing aberration.

I’m not a fan of Behringer overall, but the X32 has been out for nearly 10 years and is enormously successful. I own one and it’s a great piece of gear. I’d never own one of their power amps, but the X32 is definitely an exception to the typical Behringer story.

 

[Old Fart]

Bargain shopping is nearly always a false economy. Higher quality, in the long run, is commonly less expensive than the "bargain." But....there was a time in my life when I basically had little choice. I could have written a cookbook around those boxes of macaroni and cheese. And sacks of potatoes which, to this very day, are nearly free.

But today I do have choices, and I just don't buy cheap stuff anymore. I finally invested in a set of Snap-On screwdrivers. If I had done that forty years ago, I would have saved money. And I would not have struggled and failed to find a screwdriver in my tool box with a decent tip.

 

[Redbrangus]

To address the OP, power amps generally don't have what would be considered 'voicing', IMO. Even a cheap amp shouldn't sound so audibly different in the situation described. I suspect just what @agedhorse called out in the second post -- that the amp has additional problems or has adverse programming in the DSP.

 

[byacey]

Bargain shopping is nearly always a false economy. Higher quality, in the long run, is commonly less expensive than the "bargain." But....there was a time in my life when I basically had little choice. I could have written a cookbook around those boxes of macaroni and cheese. And sacks of potatoes which, to this very day, are nearly free.

But today I do have choices, and I just don't buy cheap stuff anymore. I finally invested in a set of Snap-On screwdrivers. If I had done that forty years ago, I would have saved money. And I would not have struggled and failed to find a screwdriver in my tool box with a decent tip.

This is true, but in the case of Snap-on, you could probably buy another brand that is equal in quality for much less. Snap-on tends to be overpriced, as you're paying a premium price for the name.

 

[Old Fart]

This is true, but in the case of Snap-on, you could probably buy another brand that is equal in quality for much less. Snap-on tends to be overpriced, as you're paying a premium price for the name.

Probably, since a Snap-On paint stirring stick would likely cost $75 on sale. But...the Snap-On truck guy lives down the street. Getting screwdriver shafts replaced would be easy. Then again, there is no indication this will be needed. I am just enjoying being able to find a screwdriver with a good tip, anytime I want.

 

[agedhorse]

I got a Snap-On specialty nut driver 20 years ago and in spite of heavy use remains perfect today. The junky ones are long gone.

 

[gstaats]

I don't know how many times I've had craftsman ratchets rebuilt. My dad had a combination of Snap-On and MAC tools. In all the years wrenching on stuff while growing up (and all the abuse teens put tools through), I never managed to blow out one of his ratchets.