If you look at many pro studios they use Pro Tools hardware and other softwares all the time. Digital Performer is ready to use the HD cards, Logic is ready to use it and that's what many places do as well, although the vast majority do just stick with Pro Tools. Digi is a hardware company and has always considered themselves to be mainly conscerned with that. The studio of Peter Gabriel is an example of a studio with Pro tools HD cards running Logic Pro.
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Pro Tools LE6,7 or Lotic Express 7
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MrFortuneCookie said:
Maybe I have it backwards... if you use protools software, can you use other hardware to record besides protools hardware? For example, if you want to record a track with your MOTU 828 from within protools can you do it?
can't you see whats happening, apple bought e-magic for the sole purpose of conering the market,and we might as well jump on the wagon/ Invalid Link Removed , all the teachers there , teach all the the top programs, but logic is what they all use at their own studios, even though they are pro tools certified. they must know something we don't know.
BassLiK said:
They know Logic does anything Pro Tools does, including functions available only through the high end Pro Tools dedicated hardware, just as well for far less money.
If you have sufficient CPU power software beats hardware because of its flexibility. The new Apples provide that level of power, and Logic knows exactly what to do with it.
Tash said:
I think yes and no. The beauty of the Digi hardware is that it will max out the amount of plug-ins you can add before you hear any audible latency. That is the goal that they strive to attain and this is something that no other software can offer with garunentee.
Im looking at doing the same thing this summer. I've been looking at an apple laptop and then connecting an mbox to it with pro tools softwear. I have a friend that has the rack set up and it's an amazing program. Ill propbably buy an mbox this summer but my recording knowledge is bleek towards any other hardware.
Logic is nowhere near the simplicity of Pro Tools, and never will, in fact the only thing that can compete with Pro Tools simplicity is Paris Pro, but that one doesn't have enough Midi for your needs. Look at it this way. If you want to do composing with midi and softsynths al day, then Logic is better but if you want to plug in press record and them mix a song wiht simplicity yet pro features which are simpler and right there in front of you, then nothing beats Pro Tools. Most major studios only use Pro Tools, so it's easy to take your mixes to them for a fix up or a final mix, and you can always understand what the audio engineer is doing and pick up few tricks since you both use the same software. Also as mentioned before M-Box has a CoreAudio driver which you download for free and can use your M-Box with any other audio software like Reason, Logic, Digital Performer ...
Pro Tools was always the standard in the pro audio industry and I don't see it changing in the next 20 years. I used to be a Die Hard Digital Performer user, now I'm die hard PT user and never going back. It's so simple everything is in front of you in one window, no extra windows or hidden menus. Midi used to be an issue wiht PT, but not any more, they have narrowed the gap drastically, so you can do recording editing and a lot more. Unless you're doing a score or very complex midi routing PT will be more then enough for you. If you have a PC at home you can download a Pro Tools free version which is free and allows to record up to 8 tracks, it's not a demo, but full functional version to give you an idea what it can do, you can use it with any sound card which has Asio driver - I think, or Windows driver. As far as USB & FW, Firewaire is much faster so you do get much better results. I on the pother hand use the good old PCI set up, G4 with Digi 001 + RME ADI-8 and it's rock solid on my system.
Cheers
Pro Tools was always the standard in the pro audio industry and I don't see it changing in the next 20 years. I used to be a Die Hard Digital Performer user, now I'm die hard PT user and never going back. It's so simple everything is in front of you in one window, no extra windows or hidden menus. Midi used to be an issue wiht PT, but not any more, they have narrowed the gap drastically, so you can do recording editing and a lot more. Unless you're doing a score or very complex midi routing PT will be more then enough for you. If you have a PC at home you can download a Pro Tools free version which is free and allows to record up to 8 tracks, it's not a demo, but full functional version to give you an idea what it can do, you can use it with any sound card which has Asio driver - I think, or Windows driver. As far as USB & FW, Firewaire is much faster so you do get much better results. I on the pother hand use the good old PCI set up, G4 with Digi 001 + RME ADI-8 and it's rock solid on my system.
Cheers
all the folks teaching this stuff at schools are leaning toward logic/ to me its not all clear as of why/ but knowing macs history, and aquiring logic, not to mention pro tools has no 3rd party support,is enough for me. 15 years ago pro tools was the bomb/ but know there are many players, but my money is on logic ,for now anyway.
rubo said:
Nice info!
I'm looking at creating a setup for composing full orchestral type scores wanting to use midi/synth patches for all the sounds, yet I would like to throw in a digital audio track (maybe my own bassline). Based on what you and someone else have said, do you think an M Box along with Digital Performer would be the best choice here?
If you're going to do lots or Orchestra midi and softsynths, then you have to start backwards. first find the Synchs and samplers you like and will be using, then you gap narrows to Logic or DP4 and then you do search which one works best with what type of samplers. Stability is major concern when it comes to running complex set ups, especially if it's not DSP type of set up where all the stress is on your computer and not your sound card. I used to be a softsynth junky - would be downloading every new softsynth that came out - I knew coupe guys who were beta testers for software companies so I would download anything new that came out. If it was me I would probably go with full Motu set up, their hardware then DP4 and Kontakt probably. MBox & DP4 is not a good idea, you're better off with Motu 2408 or 1224.
Cheers
Cheers
Hmmm... I should've explained my situation better.
I'm on a budget here - still shopping.
Approx 2500-3000 for an iMac, MIDI keyboard/controller(will be last on the list), and software. I'm not totally new to this, but I just want to build my own workstation that can allow for me to write professional sounding scores for local/indie type films, and can continusously be upgraded.
(Obviously can't do this with a PC running Cakewalk and using the mouse to enter in notes manually - my current setup.)
I like that with the M Box you get the ProTools software for the audio stuff. (I figure a Digi 002 could work well here too or later on down the line)
I'm familiar with Digital Performer, but have never used Logic, Sibelius or Kontakt before. The most audio I'll do is between 1-3 tracks per song, the rest being midi.
This will be my first "real" setup, so I'm not gonna go over the top just yet. Just need the best setup for the budget and applications.
Thanks
I'm on a budget here - still shopping.
Approx 2500-3000 for an iMac, MIDI keyboard/controller(will be last on the list), and software. I'm not totally new to this, but I just want to build my own workstation that can allow for me to write professional sounding scores for local/indie type films, and can continusously be upgraded.
(Obviously can't do this with a PC running Cakewalk and using the mouse to enter in notes manually - my current setup.)
I like that with the M Box you get the ProTools software for the audio stuff. (I figure a Digi 002 could work well here too or later on down the line)
I'm familiar with Digital Performer, but have never used Logic, Sibelius or Kontakt before. The most audio I'll do is between 1-3 tracks per song, the rest being midi.
This will be my first "real" setup, so I'm not gonna go over the top just yet. Just need the best setup for the budget and applications.
Thanks
If you know DP4 then stick with it, plus it has very similar layout as PT and most of PT's new midi functions were borrowed from DP. There is no point on buying a controller just for it's midi, you're better off spending $200 more and getting something with lots of sounds in it. Again if you're gonging wiht DP4 then get Motu Hardware if PT then get Digi 001 or 002. Why do you want to get an iMac. I would rather buy fully loaded G4 dual 1ghz the older model which can still boot OS9. I use it on daily basis with Digi 001+RME ADI-8 in OSX & PT 6.4 - it's rock solid no crashes what so ever. Don't forget if you're going with Motu you'll need a midi interface as well. Also buy everything used, you'll save a lot of money. If it was me for 3k I would get these items:
G4 Dual 1Ghz teh Quick Silver model: $1000
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51035&item=5765779378&rd=1
Digi 001: $400
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41784&item=7313787904&rd=1
or Digi 002: $900
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41784&item=7313418683&rd=1
Or Motu 1224 / DP4 : $650
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41784&item=7313141140&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41786&item=7313618178&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
M-Auduio Midi Sport: $75
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41784&item=7313789715&rd=1
NI-Kontakt: $150
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41786&item=7313193012&rd=1
Midi Controller: $400 budget, choose what ever has the sounds you'll need - make sure it has good DA quality output. I use Ensoniq Fizmo - it has the weirdest sounds you can ever hear, but I got it long time ago when I was into Techno music, now it's just a midi controller, but a fine one - it's got killer auction, the keys feel like a real pro piano. Original street price was $1500 when they came out.
Get some really good speakers - this is where you can't cut corners, specially if you have no room treatment. The rest of the money goes for cables, and samples for your Kontakt. A rely goes sampler fro Orchestral stuff is SampleTank XL.
I now own a Roland XV3080 it has more then 1000 sounds and that's all I use - it sounds like real instruments - which is what I want and not the sequenced noise I used to like and now can't stand it. So my collection of over 100 sample CDs and every possible softsynth that was made for Mac a year go is collection dust and I couldn't be more happier.
Cheers
G4 Dual 1Ghz teh Quick Silver model: $1000
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51035&item=5765779378&rd=1
Digi 001: $400
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41784&item=7313787904&rd=1
or Digi 002: $900
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41784&item=7313418683&rd=1
Or Motu 1224 / DP4 : $650
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41784&item=7313141140&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41786&item=7313618178&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
M-Auduio Midi Sport: $75
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41784&item=7313789715&rd=1
NI-Kontakt: $150
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41786&item=7313193012&rd=1
Midi Controller: $400 budget, choose what ever has the sounds you'll need - make sure it has good DA quality output. I use Ensoniq Fizmo - it has the weirdest sounds you can ever hear, but I got it long time ago when I was into Techno music, now it's just a midi controller, but a fine one - it's got killer auction, the keys feel like a real pro piano. Original street price was $1500 when they came out.
Get some really good speakers - this is where you can't cut corners, specially if you have no room treatment. The rest of the money goes for cables, and samples for your Kontakt. A rely goes sampler fro Orchestral stuff is SampleTank XL.
I now own a Roland XV3080 it has more then 1000 sounds and that's all I use - it sounds like real instruments - which is what I want and not the sequenced noise I used to like and now can't stand it. So my collection of over 100 sample CDs and every possible softsynth that was made for Mac a year go is collection dust and I couldn't be more happier.
Cheers
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JC said:Hmmm... I should've explained my situation better.
I'm on a budget here - still shopping.
Approx 2500-3000 for an iMac, MIDI keyboard/controller(will be last on the list), and software. I'm not totally new to this, but I just want to build my own workstation that can allow for me to write professional sounding scores for local/indie type films, and can continusously be upgraded.
(Obviously can't do this with a PC running Cakewalk and using the mouse to enter in notes manually - my current setup.)
I like that with the M Box you get the ProTools software for the audio stuff. (I figure a Digi 002 could work well here too or later on down the line)
I'm familiar with Digital Performer, but have never used Logic, Sibelius or Kontakt before. The most audio I'll do is between 1-3 tracks per song, the rest being midi.
This will be my first "real" setup, so I'm not gonna go over the top just yet. Just need the best setup for the budget and applications.
Thanks
I understand...Sibelius is a fantastic notational program that will playback via midi through your sound card, or the sounds included with Kontakt (included with Sibelius) through speakers...you can upgrade to gold for more features, and all-in-all your score writing will sound far better with this midi-controlled softsynth setup than with midi alone, especially playing from score to midi to Kontakt synth sounds through ASIO driver to M-box or 002 rack or 002 to your studio monitors...you could use good headphones, but you should never mix with headphones alone...
My .02
